[leptons]

>Dogs reflect the treatment they get from their owners.

Dogs are bread to have specific traits - every dog breed. Pit bulls were bred for a specific purpose, to fight until death. How you can completely ignore that to create the narrative you wish were true is another story.

You're reasoning about why the dog bit the kid, without recognizing the lethality of pit bulls when they attack. That kid is very lucky, because that dog could have tore her head off her neck. You can keep ignoring the evidence and reality if you want, but statistics do not lie - pit bulls make up 6% of all dogs and they are responsible for 67% of all fatal dog attacks. It's not how they're raised, it's literally in their genetics to fight until death. Dangerous breeds are called "dangerous breeds" for a reason - because they're dangerous. Don't take it from me, many countries have banned pit bulls because they are dangerous.

[pdonis]

> Pit bulls were bred for a specific purpose, to fight until death.

I think you need to learn more about pit bulls. Even Wikipedia [1] recognizes that the reality is more complicated than your simplistic narrative.

As for the kid, I have already pointed out in multiple posts elsewhere in this thread that if these people are worried about their kid, they should find the dog another home. If there isn't a friend or neighbor who will take him, they can take him to a shelter. It's their fault that they brought a kid into their home where the dog had already lived for three years (which, as I have also pointed out elsewhere in this thread, is stressful for any dog, no matter what breed) and didn't manage the situation properly. Instead of making the dog pay for their mistake, they should let him have another chance in another home.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull

[leptons]

>> Pit bulls were bred for a specific purpose, to fight until death.

>I think you need to learn more about pit bulls.

What part of "Pit bulls were bred for a specific purpose, to fight until death." don't you understand?

>As for the kid, I have already pointed out in multiple posts elsewhere in this thread that if these people are worried about their kid, they should find the dog another home.

"We're trying to rehome this sweet widdle pibble that bit our kid in the face after living with her for 3 years" - sure, that's going to go well.

>It's their fault that they brought a kid into their home where the dog had already lived for three years (which, as I have also pointed out elsewhere in this thread, is stressful for any dog, no matter what breed) and didn't manage the situation properly.

You're making up in your head that the parents "didn't manage the situation properly" - there was nothing to suggest that in the story. And again, and again, and again: That kid is lucky to be alive because it was a pitbull. If it were a small breed that wasn't bred to fight until death, the girl wouldn't have been in nearly as much danger. I commend the parents for waking up and realizing the real danger this dog breed is well known for, and doing the right thing.

But you're right that the parents should have gotten rid of that murder-dog before the kid was born, but really they should have picked another breed to begin with. r/banpitbulls

[pdonis]

> What part of "Pit bulls were bred for a specific purpose, to fight until death." don't you understand?

I understood what you said perfectly well. I just don't believe it's correct, and I gave a reference to support my belief. What part of "I disagree with you and here's a reference explaining why" don't you understand?

> You're making up in your head that the parents "didn't manage the situation properly" - there was nothing to suggest that in the story.

Of course there's not going to be anything in the story to suggest that, because the parents don't know that they made a mistake. But I'm not "making up in my head" the obvious fact that if you bring a baby into a house that has a dog, that will be stressful for the dog, no matter what breed it is, and the adult humans in the house have the responsibility to manage that.

> I commend the parents for waking up and realizing the real danger this dog breed is well known for, and doing the right thing.

Realizing that the dog can't coexist in their house with their kid is fine. But I do not agree that killing the dog because of the parents' failure to realize that earlier is the right thing. They should take the dog to a shelter if they can't find a friend or neighbor who will take him.

[dragonwriter]

> They should take the dog to a shelter if they can't find a friend or neighbor who will take him.

In practice, that’s likely just outsourcing the killing.

[pdonis]

Not necessarily. No kill shelters exist.

But even if the shelter were to end up euthanizing the dog, at least it would be a last resort because they were unable to find any suitable home for him. That's still better than doing it because of a single event that was really the humans' fault.

[leptons]

So you don't think that dogs can be bred for specific traits? Are you serious??

Border Collies are bred to herd cattle and sheep, and they are exceedingly good at that task, where other breeds are not, because Border Collies were bred for this task.

Humans have for centuries selected specific dogs for breeding for specific traits. But you don't seem to think that's a thing??

https://wagwalking.com/breed/top-working-dog-breeds

Your ignorance is truly astounding. Pit bulls were specifically bred to kill, to fight until death They are not good as house pets. It's like leaving a loaded handgun around the house as a toy or a decoration. Sure, most of the time it isn't shooting anyone, but when a mistake happens, the results are disastrous.

>Of course there's not going to be anything in the story to suggest that, because the parents don't know that they made a mistake. But I'm not "making up in my head" the obvious fact that if you bring a baby into a house that has a dog, that will be stressful for the dog, no matter what breed it is, and the adult humans in the house have the responsibility to manage that.

So here you're doubling down on making up in your own head what the situation was. You don't know anything more than what was in the story, but you're trying to convince me that you know something that you don't. Delusional.

> But I do not agree that killing the dog because of the parents' failure to realize that earlier is the right thing. They should take the dog to a shelter if they can't find a friend or neighbor who will take him.

All dog shelters everywhere are already maxed out, absolutely full of pit bulls that nobody wants because they are dangerous dogs. When someone finally realizes they invited a monster into their home, they will get rid of it, and unfortunately they dump them off at shelters where there simply is no more room for dogs that were bred for violence. And the dog in this story has bit a child in the face, so I'm not sure how you can reason that this dog can ever find a welcoming home. There are already far too many pit bulls in shelters. If someone really wants a pit bull, there is no shortage in shelters.

The parents in this story did the right thing by not making this murder-dog someone else's problem.

[pdonis]

> So you don't think that dogs can be bred for specific traits?

I made no such claim. You are attacking a straw man.

The rest of your post is simply repeating that you disagree with me. Ok, noted. I'm not going to bother arguing about your factual claims any more since you clearly live on a different planet than I do so we don't have any useful common ground for discussion.

[leptons]

>I'm not going to bother arguing about your factual claims any more since you clearly live on a different planet than I do so we don't have any useful common ground for discussion.

Except we don't live on a different planet. That's nonsense, and a cowardly way to say you can't do enough mental gymnastics to support your position.

>> So you don't think that dogs can be bred for specific traits?

>I made no such claim. You are attacking a straw man.

Do you or do you not think that dogs can be bred for specific traits?

And do you or do you not recognize that pit bulls were specifically bred as fighting dogs, to maximize their "gameness" and to fight until death?

These are easy questions you could just answer, and then we'll have some common ground to discuss. But I bet you won't answer.