[giraffe_lady]

Cops and prison guards aren't workers in the sense that labor unions are based on. They are part of the infrastructure that determines who works, where & how, under what conditions, and to whose benefit. I don't mean to dehumanize them but in the mechanism of labor relations their role is more related to coordination and coercion than it is to production.

Like if everyone's bosses organized, what they would have isn't a labor union but something else. Police unions use the nomenclature of labor unions but they are actually a different thing.

[pixl97]

" prison guards aren't workers in the sense that labor unions are based on"

So, this shows that you have zero idea what the inside of prisons are like for it's employees.

A captain level at a jail would tell a corrections officer to go into a pit of angry inmates in a heartbeat, and in general the unions for these officers are what help push the rules to keep said officers from getting killed, or working double shifts.

A good thing and a bad thing can happen with a system operating normally.

[giraffe_lady]

You're getting twisted up thinking I'm making a value judgement about morality or whatever; it's not about goodness or badness.

If a group of business owners coordinates for the benefit of their shared interests, what they have is a business association or chamber of commerce or cartel not a labor union. This is despite the fact that their work individually could be grueling or dangerous, or they have an even worse boss or whatever.

Cops and prison guards, like business owners, are part of the system that coordinates who produces value, when and where. But they do not produce that value, and so their organizations aren't labor unions. It's not merely a semantic point either: they have working conditions sure but their goals and tools are different because of this relationship. From a guard's perspective the ideal prison has no prisoners in it; the second best has them drugged and restrained at all times. How would a union reconcile either of these things?

And you're right, I've only ever been in a prison as a prisoner. What's your experience being employed in one?

[pixl97]

>What's your experience being employed in one

A very close family member had a 27 year career as a corrections officer until they retired.

But pretty much point you on here is stupid beyond belief. Do you think anyone at any job wants to do anything if the other option was getting paid for doing nothing?

The workers at low levels in these organizations are treated like shit, just like every business that has low paid, low skill jobs. Why in the living hell would you think that a corrections officer is "part of the system". I'd say, "Hey go get one of those jobs and you'll see", but it sounds like you're eliminated from the category.

[giraffe_lady]

Again and again you are refusing to see that it's not about how much the job sucks but about what the work produces. A prison produces no value is it rent-seeking at best.

Go read some theory man I'm not going to try to explain it again. I literally got a TBI in there but I'm starting to suspect that between the two of us I'm the one with less brain damage from associating with prisons.