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by dukeyukey 952 days ago
The indirect effect of that is subsidising (richer) homeowners at the expense of (poorer) renters. I really don't think that's a good thing.
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I’m not sure this is the right lens. Poorer renter isn’t a static label, we need to build paths that allow the lower and middle class to build equity.

The goal of these policies, IMH(umble)O, should be to help poorer renters become richer homeowners.

I feel like you do that by reducing the total cost of walking that path. Not by increasing their tax obligation every step up the socio-economic ladder they climb on their way out of the lower class.

Equally, you don't help people by taxing the poorer more than the richer. So maybe we should just tax land as land, and leave it at that? Being a renter is part of that path after all.
> Being a renter is part of that path after all

Renters are not building equity. They are spending their wealth every month and accumulating no equity in return.

I don't agree with calling a "homeowner" rich. Owning the ground beneath your feet is a big part of having equity. With a mortgage, unlike rent, every month an increasing amount of your wealth accumulates as equity as you pay off your principal. Once you pay off your mortgage, you've significantly reduced your monthly burn rate and can start moving your accumulating equity into retirement accounts.

Reducing the total cost of primary home ownership, reducing the cost of financing a primary residence to help build equity, etc. are all important parts of giving upward class mobility.

These are not things you want to disincentivize. You want your renters to become owners. You want your workers to become small business owners. You want your communities to build equity in themselves.

If you tell me that being a homeowner today makes you rich, I'll tell you that is part of the problem.

I dont follow.

Taxes would still happen on renter investment property.

Just not someones personal home.

So no subsiding at all.

> Taxes would still happen on renter investment property.

Exactly. It makes renter investment property more expensive to maintain, hence making rental properties a less desirable asset, reducing the numbers built and increasing the cost of renting.

Whereas a homeowner doesn't pay that tax at all, meaning the entire residential property burden is put onto renter.

> hence making rental properties a less desirable asset, reducing the numbers built and increasing the cost of renting.

On the flip side it would increase the number of single family homes and make them cheaper so people could afford them and stop renting.

Sounds like a huge win for single familys and huge hit to giant private equity funds buying up homes and land to turn the middle class into an eternal population of renting serfs.

It would also keep communities intact as people would never be priced out of their own home.

Net win for everyone but the private equity landlords and bloated government.

Also anyone who rents, which is most people at some point but especially students, immigrants (even richer ones), new grads, divorcees, basically anyone who can't dedicate a minimum of 5 years to an area.

I've been a victim to people thinking like that - which is why I'm currently paying £1600/month for a 500sqft 1-bed flat, shared with my girlfriend.

Well if your proposed scenario as more houses transition to single family homes...renter supply will decrease.

But also as more people transition to single family homes renter demand will decrease as well.

It equals out except instead of private equity firm owning all the houses, normal people will.

Smaller, less expensive homes would have less tax avoided than larger, more expensive homes.

1000sqft or 10,000sqft, small rural home or prime real estate, both zero tax. There's no incentive to improve land use.

Easily solved zoning problem....theres already tons of zoning with size restrictions.

Or just make the law have size limitations to be eligible for the exemption.

Easily addressed issue. Not even worth duscussing.