[jacquesm]

Thank you. At least you're honest about it, the other day someone was trying real hard to convince me that software developers at automakers are made of magic fairy dust.

[kalleboo]

I'm amazed anyone would argue that after the Toyota firmware analysis.

[jacquesm]

Check out the thread a couple of days ago:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38244149