[rafale]

We shouldn't focus on the delta (the outcome) but the roots. If men take more risks and die sooner, so be it. If women get jobs that pay less and earn less, so be it. However, men should be able to take less dangerous jobs. And women should be able to take higher paying jobs. (I believe this is already the case) We should just be asking ourselves: "are we not limiting people's freedom, regardless of their sex, race, religion, <insert any other arbitrary way to partition a group>" If the answer is no, then we are good to go, even if we observe a delta in the outcomes (e.g. more blacks in NBA than whites... white are allowed to participate just as much, so the outcome doesn't matter).

[Spivak]

Basically yeah, you got it. Where it seems we disagree is you think we've met our obligation to not limit people's freedom once the walls are removed where I think that obligation is met once all the impediments are removed. The delta being wide and always in one direction is evidence that we missed some. It shouldn't be harder for one group or another and you shouldn't have to fight the current of societal expectations to do it.