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by corethree 943 days ago
"Your statement implies that the situation/economy/whatever is a zero sum game. It's not."

^thats what I'm tired of. Baseless statements like that.

Fundamentally all things are negative sum. Anything beyond that are temporary local phenomenons.

Energy is has no "limit" in the sense you imply. It always exists. Once you "use" it, it still exists. In this sense energy is zero sum. The quantity never changes. Unless you count mass which is convertible to energy. Mass and energy are fixed zero sum things.

And since mass and energy are zero sum. Fundamentally, everything that extends from mass and energy is also zero sum.

The quantity outside of this that is negative sum is entropy. It always increases. But that's only because we set the baseline. It could be that maximal entropy is equilibrium and we are just an oscillation away from this baseline. In this case even entropy would be zero sum.

All forms of computations including coming up with cures for cancer or inventing quantum computing requires conversion of part of the universe from low entropy to high entropy. Once that conversion happens, the overall entropy of the universe goes up and it cannot be reversed. Even from a practical perspective we are using up fossil fuel resources and solar resources faster than then the sun can regenerate.

So if you technically knew what you were talking about. You'd know life and reality is overall practically and universally speaking is zero sum or worse.