[Aerbil313]

We muslims do (for muslims not non-muslims), and also advocate for a ban on such addictive and life-wasting technologies like TikTok in our countries. And guess what, it worked for millenia and still works to a great extent, even when there is no longer a ban in law in many so-called 'muslim' countries. Unlike the American Prohibition which didn't.

[smusamashah]

In Turkey there is no ban on drinking. They eat halal meat but still drink freely. And do you have any examples of Muslim countries that advocate ban on addictive life wasting tech? It is such a broad term.

[Aerbil313]

I live in Turkey actually! It is probably the most heavily and forcefully secularized Muslim country in the world. (Ataturk killed ~half a million people for his secular reforms, Islamic alphabet got abolished, European dress code literally became law, religious clothing got prohibited, religion schools closed, scholars executed & prosecuted and Islamic prayer call Adhan was banned for straight 18 years).

It's free to drink here, but drugs are banned. Only a very small minority drinks alcohol in my region, I have no relatives (including me) I know of that ever drank. Drugs/weed/marijuana are horrible things no one ever wants in my entire social circle, I don't think I have ever seen a user of such substances in my entire life IRL. Western and some coastal cities drink more and there's more drug activity too (they're less religious too).

From here, it’s hilarious to see Westerners thinking prohibition is impossible and preaching against it. Muslims have been very successful in prohibition of all kinds of mind-altering substances since 15 centuries. Compare this with the failed American Prohibition. There are more factors at play than what the law says. What do you believe will happen if you drink alcohol in secret, away from the eyes of the State? Muslims believe this will have consequences in afterlife. Atheists don't. Many Christians believe they'll be saved and forgiven by God as long as they are Christian.

> A 2012 study suggested that belief in hell decreases crime rates, while belief in heaven increases them, and indicated that these correlations were stronger than other correlates like national wealth or income inequality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlates_of_crime

Muslims here do advocate for a ban on harmful technologies including but not limited to TikTok. As an example which made its way into law, pornography websites are banned (at ISP level).

[smusamashah]

I have only been to one Muslim country (where I am from) and the state of general public morals is really bad when compared to UK (where I am for work). Given we don't drink and do most of other drugs (cigarette is considered less harmful and not Haram for example) i often wonder why still our values and morals are so crappy in general. My personal conclusion is that forgiveness is the greatest loophole my religion has. People do whatever and believe it will all be forgiven.

There probably should either be no ban on anything for anyone for any age (only your immediate care takers could stop you) or the bans should be public wide. I don't understand how alcohol/drugs above 18 are not harmful or way less harmful.

[levanten]

Unless you come from a very religious background, many Turks don't care if their meat is halal or not.

[mda]

Kinda. Note that in most cases even the least religious would not eat pork, which is strictly prohibited. For others, definition of Halal is a bit vague, e.g. Kosher is considered halal by most.

[yorwba]

To close the circle back to Nepal: the Nepali liquor raksi etymologically derives from the Arabic liquor araq https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%8D%E... which spread far and wide in tandem with the expansion of Islam.

[scandox]

What's the feeling about Khat? I don't know the numbers in general but I was in a specific region and saw that many Muslim men there were quite addicted to it. Is it actually Halal?