[marcus_holmes]

From my experience I don't think product and management folks care much about the user experience either; it seems to be mostly ego and dick-measuring.

My target user is someone running 3G on their phone on the commute home in a crowded train. The designer's sexy animations and carefully coordinated state changes are not worth the extra 100Kb of 3rd-party dependency JS required to get them to work, because the user is not going to see them; they're going to switch away from the app after 10s of staring at a blank page waiting for the JS to download.

Seen too many "perfect" designs on a laptop monitor right next to the router in the dev studio fail completely in the wild. Every Kb matters.

[Karrot_Kream]

Unless you have anything more than anecdotes and feelings to contribute to this discussion, I don't think there's anything more to discuss. Data makes a more convincing argument for such bold claims, especially when a minority of practitioners claims that their way of doing things is more correct than a much larger majority. I will say, from your maligning of "product and management folks" to your anecdotally-driven interest in page weight, its like every dev stereotype ever.

[marcus_holmes]

some stereotypes exist for a reason