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by drawkbox 945 days ago
I completely disagree with your limited focus take on this, aside from the main point of the comment, and you still are not taking into account what others are saying which I shared.

You are very focused on "winning" rather than the topic of concentration in currencies in the digital space, whether those keys are found, solved or some future system or hole is able to break them.

Good debate but I feel you were debating and shadowboxing yourself mostly, some side point that I guess you "won". I answered all your questions and provided sources on them to back them up. You still refuse to acknowledge.

Can the keys be broken now? No. Will they? According to you... NEVER!

Since you still won't answer these questions for our future observers, I take it you think they will never be broken.

Let's get you on record...

Do you think encryption methods today will hold up over time 100%? According to you YES!

Do you think early bitcoin keys from 2008 will never be broken (disregarding tools and being found which is more likely)? According to you YES!

Ok, glad to get you on record. I work on probabilities and that we don't know all parts, is there a probability that these keys will one day be broken, YES. A high probability, with lots of time, YES. Even higher if the values of these early coins/keys are multiples of what they are today, YES.

We can agree to disagree on this point without you going into ad hominems again on some side point. Where there is loot and prizes, some will be very motivated to find a way to get at those keys, either finding them, finding holes in tools used to make the keys or with lots of time, break the algorithms or brute force them.

I work in games and no matter how well you hide things, players will find the holes. It is actually quite amazing when you see it. Never underestimate the human with tools and intel/tracks. I am sure you will misinterpret this but it is true.

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is there a probability that these keys will one day be broken, YES. A high probability, with lots of time, YES. Even higher if the values of these early coins/keys are multiples of what they are today, YES.

Again, this is you repeating your claim. Repeating your claim isn't evidence. You haven't given any numbers, explanations, information from expert cryptographers or any external links at all.

Do you understand what evidence is?

You fail to acknowledge again. We already agreed to disagree on that point. We are getting your take on things now.

Answer these, let's get you on record:

Do you think encryption methods today will hold up over time 100%?

Do you think early bitcoin keys from 2008 will never be broken (disregarding tools and being found which is more likely)?

Do you understand what diversion from the point is?

Do you think Satoshi is Nick Szabo?

You won't eventhough these are very easy YES/NO questions.

C'mon, put your money where your mouth is.

Do you think encryption methods today will hold up over time 100%?

There is no evidence that it won't. If you have some, link it.

I'm fascinated that you don't seem to understand what evidence is.

No evidence doesn't mean it didn't or won't happen. There is a very large canyon between something happening and evidence. There you have to go off of history, timeline, motive (large piles of money get things to happen) and more.

Glad you could go on record and show you are an absolutist not a probabilist. Even cryptography itself is probabilistic. There are no absolutes in time except change.

You also skipped these two questions:

- Do you understand what diversion from the point is?

- Do you think Satoshi is Nick Szabo?

We are so far deep in this distraction that we have run out of room to reply without it being a line of vertical text.

Let's agree to disagree. I'll let you have the last word on this diversion.

No evidence doesn't mean it didn't or won't happen. There is a very large canyon between something happening and evidence.

We're at the heart of it now. You don't understand evidence and don't care. This is the same type of thinking that flat earth people have. There is no evidence of that either.

When what you believe is not based on any evidence at all and only emotions, that's called religion, not anything that exists in reality.

Here are people that understand trying to explain it.

https://old.reddit.com/r/cryptography/comments/13kl9ds/how_m...

https://old.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/bc0ojp/e...

What else do you believe that has no evidence for it and huge evidence against it? Big foot? Lockness monster? Aliens? Santa Clause? If you don't care about evidence anything is on the table, just make up what you want to be true.

Again with the ad hominems and strawman arguments in your shadowboxing diversion...

I knew you wouldn't answer. You fail to even acknowledge evidence, what do you know about it? Nothing. How do you think evidence comes about? Just shows up one day? It takes people researching it and events to happen. Your hypothesis is not even attempting to start to see evidence, never be an investigator with that vibe.

Our discussion on your diversion is done, I know where you stand.

- You like crypto consolidation, you won't even attempt to answer that one.

- You are diverting from the point so far it is laughable now.

- Nick Szabo thanks you.

Admit you are an absolutist not a probabalist. Absolutism to no change is more religious than probability. You sure do preach absolutism.