[jtc331]

The thing is we need to stop advising people to use it in the first place. That's what we're advocating.

That is, we're not telling people to stop after they've gone into McDonalds, we're decrying the fact that so-called health experts are telling people that McDonalds is actually just fine for you. That's a better analogy.

[maratd]

> The thing is we need to stop advising people to use it in the first place. That's what we're advocating.

Who are you to advocate that? Or to advocate anything?

I despise people who presume to know what's in the best interest of others. You only know what's in your best interest. You have no idea what is good for anyone else.

You want to share your experience? Great. Do it when it's asked for. Nobody asked for a hit piece on PHP.

> we're decrying the fact that so-called health experts are telling people that McDonalds is actually just fine for you.

Exactly which maven and luminary of computer science has advocated the use of PHP?

That is outright nonsense. At no point has that happened. PHP grew organically, without a single endorsement.

[reinhardt]

"I despise people who presume to know what's in the best interest of others. You only know what's in your best interest. You have no idea what is good for anyone else."

Wow. Are you seriously advocating the equivalent of moral relativism in programming? You have no idea if, say, Brainfuck is good for anyone else?

[jtc331]

"Exactly which maven and luminary of computer science has advocated the use of PHP?"

I didn't say that they were luminaries per se. Programmers telling non-programmers that PHP is OK for them is what I'm referring to. That would match the analogy--someone who's studying health science telling someone who hasn't studied health science that McDonalds is perfectly healthy.

Programmers need to stop telling non-programmers that it's perfectly OK to use PHP. Frankly, they need to be blunt that programming is hard. That you either have to willing to put in the investment or don't do it at all. This soft runway into developing applications is exactly the reason why so much poor software exists in the common market.