[avazhi]

Go read the comment I was replying to a few times until you understand it. Nothing I said refers to hindsight bias. I'm saying there are absolutely situations in which a nuclear first strike would be rational, reasonable, and make complete logical and moral sense for the country undertaking the first strike.

As an example, it is within the realm of possibility that Israel or the United States use nukes on Iran, and there would be pretty strong logical/rational justifications for doing so.

[abenga]

So, pretty much "Go home team!" huh?

[avazhi]

I'm neither Israeli nor American, so no.

[abenga]

You can identify with a side without being one of them. I am neither, nor from the ME. There is no reasonable justification to use weapons that can kill so many so indiscriminately. By anyone. So yes, advocating for their use may be characterised by some as evil.

[avazhi]

In your opinion. But making blanket statements to the effect that every preemptive use of nukes is evil is smallminded and laughable.

It's pretty simple: If State A peddles a religion that promotes the extermination of all non-believers of said religion, and if State A itself claims that State B has no right to exist and ought to be wiped off the face of the earth (and indeed that State B will do what it can to make sure that State A is wiped off the face of the earth) out of principle, then State B has every logical and reasonable right to take action against State A before State A can destroy State B. It's really quite simple. Mankind isn't one big brotherhood, and modern global civilisation is in many respects a zero sum affair. It is absolutely rational for stronger powers to eliminate weaker powers whose stated goals are to eventually destroy those stronger powers. It's really just a form of self-defence. The notion of 'innocent people dying' is something you've made up in your head as relevant when that just isn't part of contemplating an existential threat.

Obviously people like you might find that offensive, but that doesn't affect the calculus lol.

peace.

[abenga]

True.

Just don't try to paint it as some enlightened "rational" higher form of thought, as if trying to find peaceful solutions is somehow stupid. Just revel in the hate, and show everyone that you are exactly the same as those you pretend to be against.