[soulofmischief]

> Von Neumann's remarks also took place in an era before we allowed the Soviets to arm themselves to the degree that they posed a serious nuclear threat to the United States. The pop culture notion that a nuclear war between the US and Soviet Union would entail both sides completely eliminating each other in the first day of hostilities was arguably never completely accurate, but especially in the early 1950's it was not even close to true.

Actually, Von Neumann coined and pushed for mutually-assured destruction, so it didn't matter if it wasn't in popular culture; He himself was possibly the most familiar with the concept of anyone. So it's not correct that he made these comments without proper context. He was wrong to be violently anti-communist, but MAD ended up being a crucial doctrine.

[philwelch]

I still think von Neumann would have still preferred for the US to eliminate the threat of communism before they were able to develop their own deterrent, regardless of his role in developing the MAD doctrine.

[soulofmischief]

Yeah, he self-described as "violently anti-communist".