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by VirusNewbie 952 days ago
I have worked at other FAANGs where I see certain immigrant managers only seem to hire other immigrants from the same country...
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I've noticed this at companies I've worked at. Either at the team level, org level, or even the company level. I've observed it from White, Chinese and Indians. I think there's just a human tendency of in group bias.
Except only one of these groups gets penalized for the behavior.
happens every time where I work. once you get a manager from India, they will rarely hire anyone other than Indians again.
In my case, I wasn't referring to indians, I meant chinese immigrants. My last few managers have been Indian immigrants and they all had diverse teams. I'm sure it does happen though.
Every group does this, but its okay to openly write discriminatory shit against Indians and chinese online.

Just look at the academic hiring phds for aerospace related department in US and tell me its not filled with hispanics.

When you start pointing fingers at people other than Indian/SEA and Chinese now it gets into the racist territory.

Yeah but we aren’t talking racism here we are talking nationalism. It’s not the same to hire lots of hispanics or to say “wow this team is primarily asian”. Here i’m saying particular hiring managers only want people who were born in their country of origin.
Claims observing that Indians tend to hire Indians is discriminatory.

Observed that Hispanics hire Hispanics.

lol.

But I dont go onto online forums and blast Hispanics for hiring other hispanics ? I know its a common trait worldwide to hire from your own group but I dont point out "specific" communities because they do it ? Like you just did.
You don't want to be the odd one out on a team since you'll be the first to get laid off. Either find a team with a good mix or stick to your own color.
Apple hasn't laid engineers off since the early 2000s IIRC. It didn't happen in 2021 because they didn't overhire like everyone else did, nor did their execs decide to punish their employees like everyone else did.
I was thinking more Amazon than Apple. Hiring an outsider to a team just to have someone to fire is supposedly common there.
As sibling comment explains, this is a natural outcome.

Interviews are a poor proxy for predicting on-the-job performance. The manager is disproportionately affected by poor performance of an employee. So, they try to minimize it. To do that, they try to get signals outside of the traditional interviews. And one such extra signal is reputation. Seeking candidates with high reputation leads to developers with open source contributions getting hired, but also those from the manager’s personal network get hired too.

This effect is not limited to immigrant managers.

Sounds like there can be an easy fix for something like this with a few minor HR policy changes
Except “Can you hire from your network?” is an explicit grading criteria when hiring senior management.
yup.