[matheusmoreira]

Gambling is literally anything where you pay money to have a chance to win something. That includes all these loot box things in literally any and all of its forms.

As someone who was once addicted to these games, they should absolutely be illegal. We really should not allow corporations to print money with drug dealer methods.

[brigadier132]

That definition is very reductive. Any competitive tournament with an entree fee is gambling?

Also, the reason I'm against banning such games is because when you look at all the things we find fun, you will be sad to see that a lot of them just boil down to variable reward. That variable reward aspect is what makes it fun.

[matheusmoreira]

Competitive games are not based on chance. Betting on the outcome is.

[brigadier132]

> Competitive games are not based on chance

You would be wrong. Even chess has variance, the better player does not always win.

Then there are games that actually integrate chance as a mechanic and are still competitive.

[knifie_spoonie]

Not being based on chance doesn't mean there's no element of chance.

If you have no skill or training in chess, there's basically zero chance of you winning.

[johnnyanmac]

>Any competitive tournament with an entree fee is gambling?

technically yes. But not all gambling is illegal. because the legal definition of gambling is more precise.

I think that's the part that is forgotten in the discussions because we conflate the casual definition with the legal one.