[mathieuh]

By the same token then you must agree that all Israelis are responsible for the horrific conditions that have prevailed in Gaza for decades, as well as the settler violence in the west bank, and apartheid.

Which is obviously not true. To say otherwise and treat Israelis or Jews as a monolithic block is one of the classic anti-semitic tropes. So why is it different when it's the Palestinians?

[orionsbelt]

I did not say Palestinians were a monolithic block or that civilians deserve to die. I am saying that if you want to analyze which side of a war that you support, it does kind of reduce down to the governments in power (or the non-state actor you are fighting). Whether you believe the US-Afghan war was just, or the US-Vietnam war, or the Russian-Ukraine war, or US vs Germany in WW2, or Israel vs Gaza, reduces down to what you believe about the respective governments and their actions at that time, not based on the average man on the street and does not require one to assume that all citizens support their government or anything really about the average citizen.