[art_vandalay]

China is better off pursue peace and forgoing their Communist zealots

[FFP999]

China may nominally be a Communist country, but in practice, they've been more an authoritarian capitalist state for a generation or two now.

[Clubber]

The state owns most if not all industry. The only thing that individuals can invest in is property. How is that capitalism?

[somedude895]

State capitalism: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism

[Clubber]

Can you differentiate state capitalism from Communism? Sounds like a No True Scotsman argument.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

[colpabar]

It's pretty simple - communism is "real communism" when it works, and it's not when it doesn't. It's similar to how it's not "real capitalism" when things go wrong in a capitalist system.

[Justin_K]

Are there examples where communism did not turn into authoritarian?

[wkat4242]

Cuba isn't doing too badly even though it's authoritarian. It's no soviet union, DDR or North Korea. The biggest problems they have are due to US sanctions.

But I think extremes never work. Neither strict communism nor all-out capitalism.

[FFP999]

Is that pertinent to whether or not China is currently communist in anything but name only? No.

[Justin_K]

I'm genuinely curious because all we hear about are the bad examples

[guidoism]

I’ve been wondering the same but maybe we only have these examples because the only successful attempts to forcefully take power away from the capitalists has been by authoritarians.

[snowpid]

or maaaybe communism is just not working.