[ghaff]

That's a very idealistic black-and-white view of the world.

A huge number of roles casually use the "engineer" moniker and a lot of people who actually have engineering degrees of some sort, even advanced degrees from top schools, are not licensed and don't necessarily follow rigid processes (e.g. structural analyses) on a day to day basis.

As someone who does have engineering degrees outside of software, I have zero problem with the software engineer term--at least for anyone who does have some education in basic principles and practices.

[rat9988]

I have yet to see, with the exception of the software world, engineering with such loose process.

[ghaff]

As someone who was a mechanical engineer in the oil business, I think you have a very positive view of engineering processes in general.

[nvm0n2]

It's common to start constructing buildings before the design is even complete. And there can be huge "tech debt" disasters in civil engineering. Berlin Airport is one famous example.

[ghaff]

>It's common to start constructing buildings before the design is even complete.

Of which the Sydney Opera House is one of the better known examples.