[asddubs]

this is a tangent, but it also kind of seems like a lot of the development behind Serenity is being sucked away by the Ladybird browser now. Especially with it now having funding I fear that Serenity will wither further and further as the focus shifts.

[jeroenhd]

I'm not 100% sure. A lot of work is being done on Ladybird, but a lot of money is coming from sponsorships specifically for Ladybird as well.

When it comes to direct contributions to the project, I'm pretty sure only Andreas is working fulltime on generic SerenityOS+ projects. He recently made a series of videos about adding a JIT to Javascript which I found to be quite a typical SerenityOS style diversion, like Jakt had been for a while before that.

However, that's just the stuff you find on Youtube. The project itself is receiving commits all over the place: https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/commits/master

Most of the OS advancements have stopped coming from Andreas for a while now, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. There's a very active community working on SerenityOS and the various applications and subsystems within it. The steady stream of commits just isn't as visible and doesn't provide as much progress as three full-time programmers working on the browser does.

Unfortunately, a lot of the work that gets committed to SerenityOS seems to be the result of whatever video Andreas published last. I do hope Andreas switches back to SerenityOS work soon, but I imagine it'll be hard for him to drop such a cool and interesting project.

[asddubs]

It's definitely not dead yet, nor is its fate sealed, but I am somewhat pessimistic about it long term. I would love to be wrong, though, and realistically it's a bit early to make any definitive statements about long term shifting priorities vs a temporary shift in focus. And obviously one developer will never make or break a project like this, but I think an important role that Andreas has/had is to be an advocate, recruiter, as well as just leadership to steer the ship a bit. Serenity needs to grow and gain new developers, and I fear that it might not be able to do that without a figurehead.

[Vt71fcAqt7]

I think you are right but I also think that's a good thing. The web is a spec so every new implementation improves it. Serenity is apparently writing it's browser to more closley follow the spec (as opposed to just producing the right outputs) which is also good. So I think Ladybird provides more improvements to the web as a whole compared to the improvments serenity brings to operating systems as a whole. That's probably why it has more sponsors.

[asddubs]

I like ladybird, and I think it's a cool project. It's probably more short term useful, but I think serenity is the more interesting project of the two, precisely because browsers are a spec. No one likes the absolute chromium dominance and more browser engines are a good thing, but they also all do exactly the same thing. Building an operating system is a much more open ended task that has more room for innovation.