[mlinhares]

The title isn't news at all as every single trustworthy autonomous driving solution MUST HAVE human operators somewhere to take over but the actual article is a good summary of Cruise's current situation and I'd guess the competition as well.

[dventimi]

Where is the article does it even support the title? I'll reread it but I didn't see anything about human operators.

[potatolicious]

> "Half of Cruise’s 400 cars were in San Francisco when the driverless operations were stopped. Those vehicles were supported by a vast operations staff, with 1.5 workers per vehicle. The workers intervened to assist the company’s vehicles every 2.5 to five miles, according to two people familiar with is operations. In other words, they frequently had to do something to remotely control a car after receiving a cellular signal that it was having problems."

Title of the post should be edited though since it's not the headline of the piece and this information, while interesting, isn't the main thrust of the article.

[Animats]

That's a terrible disengagement rate. Cruise claimed in 2020 "Cruise, for comparison, clocked 831,040 miles with a disengagement rate of 0.082 (per 1000 miles)" [1] Something's not right here.

[1] https://www.engadget.com/2020-02-27-waymo-disengagement-cali...

[AlotOfReading]

Companies measure multiple disengagement rates for different purposes. The DMV numbers are usually safety rate numbers, as in "if a human hadn't intervened there may have been an accident or near miss". The specifics vary company-to-company, and they'll have a large document somewhere laying out exactly what the criteria are. The numbers in the article are some other metric, though I have no idea what. I'm a bit skeptical that it's the average over their entire ODD, given that it's much higher than my own experiences and most of their vehicles were running around the outer city at night, where they seemingly did okay.

It could reflect some particular ODD (e.g. downtown at rush hour) where the vehicles didn't do nearly as well, or something else entirely.

[KennyBlanken]

I thought HN very strictly required the title to be the original article's title unless the title was really, really bad?

[creer]

It's buried pretty deep all the way at the end.

[donsupreme]

> staff intervened to assist Cruise's vehicles every 2.5 to five miles