[bakugo]

> If people have to be worried again about their next sexual contact (condoms only offer between 70-90% protection against HIV), we will return to a prudish lifestyle again at a time the west can least afford it with falling birth rates.

Are you really trying to imply that a "prudish lifestyle" where people actually have long-term relationships and marry is bad for birthrates, and more casual sex is good?

[amanaplanacanal]

Ok I’ll bite. Yes. Forcing people to marry early and stay in abusive relationships is bad. Having options is good.

[huytersd]

Abusive is too wide of term that covers too many things. Marriages can be hard if it’s a partnership of equals. It needs to move back to the paradigm where the husband is the primary dominant and makes all the decisions. The wife needs to be submissive. Marriages of this variety are easy. We already have domestic violence laws in place so there are safeguards in place against actual abuse.

[amanaplanacanal]

Good god no. That kind is patriarchal bullshit is on its way out, and good riddance. I kind of suspect you are just trolling here.

[huytersd]

I wasn’t trolling. It’s probably my least progressive viewpoint but honestly I don’t see a society that can continue to make technological progress without it. The patriarchy isn’t going anywhere, if anything it is only growing in the US GOP, East Asia, South Asia, Eastern Europe and Russia, the Middle East, Australia, Africa and Latin America.

[bakugo]

> That kind is patriarchal bullshit is on its way out

And so are birthrates, as a result.