[Retric]

What other way can the human or computer find out position direction and velocity of enemy jets who jam radar and camouflage themselves?

Heat and contrail's.

Also, I suspect the best solution to deal with advancing US warplanes is simply a vary large low cost drone fleet. Picture that fight but replace the second squad with 10,000 drones each of which has a single air to air or air to ground missile. They don't even need to use radar with enough eyes you can just triangulate position's and distance.

[ceejayoz]

> Heat and contrail's.

Stealthy aircraft (i.e. virtually every fighter in development by Russia, China, or the West) are specifically designed to mask their heat signature, and contrails are solved by changing altitude.

[Retric]

Yea, that's actually a big part of why they don't go as fast. Push the mock number to high and your air frame literally starts to glow (in IR) and there is not much you can do about it.