[bottlepalm]

Have you used Next? I’ve found it more productive than anything because I can reuse the same code, DTOs, components, rendering, etc.. across server and client. It feels like I’m building a single app instead of dealing with using one code base to build the page and another to update it on the client. No extra JS frameworks needed. Plus TypeScript/ES6 is crazy productive - destructuring, structural typing, super expressive while being type safe as well. This server action stuff has made communicating with the server as easy as calling a function. So much overhead gone.

[azemetre]

I used Next a few years ago, I'm extremely weary of proprietary frameworks. Especially those with VC funds. I've been around long enough to knows what eventually happens to those tools (the company goes bust, no one wants to maintain it, and people move to new things).

I'd be more of a fan of Vercel if they moved ownership of Next.js to the OpenJS Foundation and gave monetary support through that org instead. Obviously this would require movements to have react there as well; but if you cared about nurturing an open ecosystem it seems like the altruistic move.

I'm exploring HTMX for certain use cases at work. That library feels like the only new innovation happening in the web dev world. All the other frameworks are way too "same-y." Angular, react, svelte, solid, vue; they're all riffing off each other which is fine, but none of them really offer something completely substantial from one another. Just different syntax, with different bundle sizes, with different performance.

HTMX is just wildly different in that regard.

[0xblinq]

I think you are confusing a productive language with a productive ecosystem.

Using typescript and next maybe you are super productive writing code, but in the big scheme of things you are not productive if you have to reinvent the wheel and write your own framework.

Neither Next nor typescript will give you an integrated solution for translations, background jobs, schedules, validation, ORM, queues, file uploads, authentication, authorization, etc.

Granted, you’re super fast writing typescript but we are not talking about the same kind of productivity I think.