[coldtea]

>Is there any place in the world where it isn't that way? Honest question.

Yes, many cultures don't have this Old Testament idea about justice, as if they take delight in seeing the prisoner suffering. This is more about sadism than justice.

This is how they can be OK with treating criminals humanely, not focusing on revenge and punishment but rehabilitation, not having the death penalty, giving lighter sentences, etc. Or even to have prisons that look more like motels - like the Nordic prisons.

[lazide]

Seems like you’re pretty far off on a tangent? What does this have to do with SBF?

And if you think the US prison system is bad, wait until you see…. Well everyone else’s except a handful of Western European countries prisons.

[coldtea]

>Seems like you’re pretty far off on a tangent? What does this have to do with SBF?

Seems like you're pretty far off the subect of the subthread? Have you read what we're discussing in this subthread? It's not SBF specifically.

Even so, if you want to see how it still ties to SBF, see the glee with which people elsewhere on this post comment about "life in prison" and throwing away the key for what is basically financial fraud.

>And if you think the US prison system is bad, wait until you see…. Well everyone else’s except a handful of Western European countries prisons.

That's a pretty low bar.

[lazide]

90%+ of the rest of the world is a low bar?

[coldtea]

For a western country, especially one with such pretentions of being a superior one, the "home of the brave/land of the free", constantly preaching as hollier than thou, and so on?

LOL, next question?

[lazide]

Uh huh. Good luck with that in real life. Nothing in this thread or in my responses ever made such a claim. You’re the one being ‘holier than thou’ and trying to make ridiculous claims.

[coldtea]

>Nothing in this thread or in my responses ever made such a claim

Which is neither here, nor there. I didn't say you made such a claim, or that somebody in this thread did.

Just pointed that it's a be low bar to being content to be better than "90% of countries" when that means being at the bottom of all your western peers.

And that it's especially ironic given than Americans do make superioty claims, quite often, from lowly folks, intellectuals, and artists, to official statements by POTUS.

It IS a low bar, and it IS especially ironic given the expressions of superiority - regardless of whether you or others in this thread share them or not.

[chmod775]

"If you think I'm a slow runner, just wait until you see my son's primary school class!"

Compare yourself to your peers. What's the point of merely trying to be better than Rwanda.

[lazide]

Have you ever even been to Rwanda? Or are you just talking out of your ass?

[coldtea]

You don't need to have visited a place to be informed about some aspect of it, or to have a good enough idea based on related facts about it and the region's track record to use it as an example in casual conversation.

In any case, here you go: "Prison conditions in Rwanda today remain harsh and harrowing – especially for those incarcerated for daring or perceived by the authorities to challenge the government’s narrative. Today Rwanda’s prisons are overcrowded at 174% of capacity – with the second highest incarceration population rate (that is, the number of prisoners per 100,000 of the national population) outside America, according to the Institute for Crime & Justice Policy Research. The institute listed Rwanda’s total prison population at just over 76,000 – out of a national population of a little over 13 million. Rwanda’s prisoners include thousands detained in connection with the 1994 genocide, the report added".

or

"significant human rights issues included credible reports of: unlawful or arbitrary killings; torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment by the government; harsh and life-threatening prison conditions"

I think you're under the wrong impression that when the parent said "Rwanda" they meant Rwanda specifically, and they didn't just use it as a stand-in for "well known third world country" with the understanding that such countries usually have horrible prison conditions.

[lazide]

All but a handful of very sheltered countries have horrible prison conditions.

Rwanda also has had a history of murdering vast numbers of folks, very recently, because of religious affiliation.

My point is, what’s up with the ridiculousness of these claims?