[jjav]

> > So there's no way I can afford to pay that since the bare dirt doesn't give me any income. So I will lose this land due to the tax.

> That's intentional.

Ok so it's true and intentional. Thus my statement at the top of the thread, LVT is a way to take land away from people.

[throwaway092323]

Taking away land isn't the goal; it's just the logical consequence of making it prohibitively expensive to rent-seek.

The problem goes away if you don't treat land ownership as a right. What is the advantage of letting people possess empty lots?

[jjav]

> Taking away land isn't the goal

Earlier you said it is intentional, which to me is the same as saying it is a goal.

> What is the advantage of letting people possess empty lots?

Maybe not too bad if it is truly an empty lot. I've been using empty lot in the thread as it is the minimum possible value, but LVT hurts people particularly when the lot isn't empty.

Imagine that lot contains your home, one you've lived and loved for decades and raised your family in and you're rather fond of it. Just because an 8-plex goes up next door, shouldn't mean now you are forced out because they start taxing your little house as if it was an 8 unit building.

LVT is based on the cold clinical idea that land is nothing but an investment that must be squeezed to it's maximum possible profit at all times, without any consideration given to what would be nicer to have there. I would hate to live in a society like that.

Taken to it's logical conclusion, LVT means we should bulldoze Central Park in NYC and fill it with tall apartment buildings. Just imagine the trillions of dollars of increased value!

[throwaway092323]

> Imagine that lot contains your home, one you've lived and loved for decades and raised your family in and you're rather fond of it. Just because an 8-plex goes up next door, shouldn't mean now you are forced out because they start taxing your little house as if it was an 8 unit building.

Except your house wouldn't be taxed like it was an 8-unit building. The tax would only go up if the 8-plex increased demand for the land itself. If it's a poorly-placed 8-plex, the opposite could actually happen; but if the land value does go up, it would only go up a little bit unless they started developing a lot in your area, at which point you'd have the same sorts of problems either way.

> LVT is based on the cold clinical idea that land is nothing but an investment...

No. LVT discourages land investment. LVT is based on the idea that land belongs to everyone, so no one should profit just off of owning land.

[jjav]

> LVT discourages land investment.

You left out the main gist of my sentence:

> nothing but an investment that must be squeezed to it's maximum possible profit at all times

Sounds like that is exactly what LVT is. It becomes unaffordable (due to taxes) to do anything other than squeezing the maximum profit out of every square meter of land.

The result would be every lot in town is built to the same profit-maximization potential and the moment something more profitable comes along everyone is encouraged (due to increasing taxes) to tear all down and build the new thing that squeezes even more profit out of it.

It sounds like a terrible dystopia, I still haven't heard any argument that makes LVT sound like it would lead to building a nice town to live in. The US is already far too concerned about profit above all else to the detriment of mental health, imagine LVT on top of this squeezing maximum profit from land at all times.