[whynotminot]

To be fair it’s a bit of a myth that only mobile cares about efficiency and thermal management. It is definitely a factor for HPC and server too.

Apple scaled iPhone first designs up to the M* Ultra chips. Going from HPC to a mid wattage laptop is definitely serious work, but I don’t think it’s impossible. Especially with ARM.

[stouset]

Apple clearly iterated on that process over the course of a decade and multiple generations of chips, eventually achieving that outcome.

[whynotminot]

Am I taking crazy pills?

The whole point of this thread is that those same Apple engineers made these Qualcomm chips.

Yes. Apple iterated over many, many years. Learning so much along the way about how to make performant, efficient ARM designs.

And then a bunch of the most important of those guys left to start their own company.

And then Qualcomm bought that company.

Y’all are acting like a few college kids from Stanford made Qualcomm a new CPU over their summer internship. “It takes longer than that to make a good CPU.” Yah no shit!

[stouset]

You are taking crazy pills. Making a high performance chip requires more than just having a bunch of talented and experienced engineers. Is it a necessary requirement? Sure! But it’s far from sufficient.

Apple brought on PA Semi and then slowly iterated on actually shipping hardware for years. They didn’t hire PA Semi and have a best-in-class product on the first go.

[whynotminot]

And those same guys who slowly iterated on shipping hardware for Apple for years are at Qualcomm now.

Are you saying it’s a requirement that these guys ship a crappy chip first? Why? They already know how to make good ones.

Can you tell me what more they need other than their talent and years of experience to make a good chip? Because if it’s just “I demand they make a bad chip now because they’ve changed logos on their corporate polos” I don’t think this conversation has anywhere to go.