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by supriyo-biswas 962 days ago
It’s intriguing to observe this phenomena on HN where any posts critical of the EU will get downvoted, even though it is natural for any country or block to try various means to show or enforce its power.

And before someone says otherwise, I’ve seen this playing out hundreds of times.

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Eurosceptics aren't welcome here and will usually give up rather than burn karma and get throttled.

If you spend time in central Europe you'll see why this occurs. Some people have incorporated the EU institutions into their personal identity. People will call themselves European Citizens although the EU doesn't grant citizenship. Businesses will be called Euro-this or Euro-that for no obvious reason. You can catch the Eurobus to go ride the rollercoasters at the Europa Park then meet their famous mascot Ed Euromouse. This stuff is everywhere.

And in some ways, it is understandable. The 20th century was wracked by wars between different European empires or countries. The assumption at the core of this movement is that if everyone has the same social identity and is ruled by the same government, then everyone will hold hands and there will be peace on Earth. Or at least that bit of it.

But you can't force unity on people. It has to develop naturally, through shared experiences and cultures. Unfortunately the vision is so enticing that the political and credentialed classes in these countries don't want to wait, and so attempt to enforce it from the top down via schemes that eliminate democracy in favor of power transfers towards the Right Sort Of People, the type who "get it" and who can then rule unchecked without needing to answer to electorates. This is deeply corrupting, but because it's an identity issue when this is pointed out people feel their personal identity and whole progress story is under attack.

The post was typical anti gov tin foil hat nonsense. You see the same types of posts from people who like camping out on compounds in the mid west complaining about “the feds”
There is nothing about protectionism or a government flexing its power that can be construed as "tin foil hat nonsense" though.
It got downvoted since it says this regulation isn't made to spy on people. People want to believe it was made for a sinister purpose and not just due to naivete.

If you look around you see plenty of people that gets upvoted and are critical of EU, so that isn't it.

We had a recent MITM on jabber.ru[1] conducted by Germany, a EU state that was only detected because they failed to renew the MITM cert. I have no reason to believe making this easier isn’t one of the goals of EIDAS.

[1] https://notes.valdikss.org.ru/jabber.ru-mitm/

How can you make this any easier? The ergonomics of letsencrypt are probably better than anything the EU could come up with.

Fair chance they'll just keep using letsencrypt.