[yaseer]

I'm wondering if PHP's reputation has been rehabilitated somewhat in recent years. At least amongst those who understand the significant changes in modern PHP, and the difference a stable framework like Laravel makes.

I've found PHP with Laravel a stable and solid workhorse. Good for getting things done quickly, and then a stable system over time.

In contrast, I've gradually become disillusioned with the node.js and JavaScript/TypeScript ecosystem over the years. You can build quickly, but the systems turns into a pain to maintain and update.

[kypro]

It genuinely amazes me that Node is as popular as it is, especially within large mission critical businesses. If this bank was using TypeScript no one would have questioned it, but you're right, TypeScript is a nightmare to maintain. I probably only use about half of packages I used 5 years ago because either those packages are no longer maintained or the community has switched to some other package that basically does the same thing just in a slightly different way. There's also no real industry standard ways to do anything in Node. You find 10 different Node CRUD projects and they'll all do things completely differently.

The PHP ecosystem on the other hand tends to be less fragmented and these days with frameworks like Laravel the code is generally also pretty good. I think it gets a bad reputation because in the 00s there were some truly horrific PHP projects out there and the language itself was quite immature and poorly designed. That's not the case anymore though. These days I struggle to understand the hate it gets. It's certainly no worse than than Node.