[LoganDark]

Well, that was just the wrong answer, since their software is supposed to be releasing memory back to the OS properly. Overcommit is just a coping mechanism, you should be addressing the root cause.

I have since enabled the page file for other reasons - LLMs demand up to 50GB of memory sometimes, and my new desktop only has 16.

The change of machine is why I should probably try Firefox again to see if it behaves.

[ColonelPhantom]

Overcommit != Swap.

Overcommit is allocating virtual memory without any backing. Swap is allocating physical memory backed by disk.

Overcommit is useful in some cases, for example to preallocate a large heap without immediately making it all resident. Or to allocate 'guard' pages to fight buffer overflows. On Linux, overcommit is commonly assumed and as such disabling it tends to break some programs, as it's not out of the ordinary for something to allocate 100s of GBs of virtual memory.

[LoganDark]

Read up on Windows. Windows does not do overcommit whatsoever, unless swap is enabled, in which case it only allows overcommit up to the size of the swap file.

Overcommit cannot be enabled without a swap file, whatsoever. This differs from Linux that can tend to have overcommit enabled without swap.

[ColonelPhantom]

Yes, Windows doesn't have overcommit. (Also not with swap, since overcommit is unbacked virtual memory, which Windows still doesn't allow. The only thing it allows is disk-backed virtual memory).

But as a user, I don't care (except that I don't have to worry about an OOM killer because an allocation will just fail). The only real difference is that application developers need to be careful with allocating memory without using it, unlike on Unix-likes.

Because software on Linux runs on the assumption of overcommit, you shouldn't disable it, even though the lack of overcommit on Windows is not problematic.

[fomine3]

You're correct, that's why having pagefile is important for Windows even if there's enough RAM. Why don't you enable it?

[LoganDark]

It takes up disk space that I thought I could save. I have it enabled now, as a side effect of working with LLMs on my new computer that only has 16GB of memory (working on fixing that).

I still wouldn't be comfy letting Firefox fill it up, because no matter how large the page file is, your system will always crash when Firefox fills the entire thing. I do not know if my new computer will have this problem, though.

[mort96]

The reasons browsers rely on overcommit has nothing to do with them failing to release memory back to the OS properly.

[LoganDark]

If the memory is never released back to the OS after it is done being used (or when it is not going to be used), then the browser has failed to release it back to the OS.

[mort96]

The memory is released back to the OS after it is done being used.

[LoganDark]

If that were the case my OS would not crash due to tens of gigabytes of allocated-but-not-used memory from Firefox