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by llm_nerd 969 days ago
Apple has a tiny sliver of the patents in HEVC, and while we don't have the numbers I feel pretty certain they pay far more into the pool to ship HEVC in their devices than they get out of it. The same is doubly true of Qualcomm who aren't even a part of the pool.

HEVC was finalized in 2013. AV1 was finalized in 2018, and has just finally started getting a robust ecosystem of software and hardware.
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orra 968 days ago
That's important context! Adoption of HEVC was so slow that I honestly thought it was released around the same time as AV1.
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entropicdrifter 968 days ago
It wasn't really all that slow in general, just slow on dedicated streaming hardware.

Basically, it was the push to 4K (and especially HDR) that caused HEVC to roll-out. In 2016 4K Blu-rays started coming out and they were all HEVC 10-bit encoded. It took a couple more years before dedicated streaming devices and lower-end smart TVs bothered to start including HEVC support as standard because at first 4K content was uncommon and the hardware came at a premium.

Now that it's mostly the de-facto standard, we see HEVC support in basically all streaming devices and smart TVs.

AV1 didn't have any sort of resolution change or video standard change to help push it out the way HEVC did, so it's basically rolling out as the parts get cheaper due to pressure from streaming giants like Google and Netflix rather than due to a bottom-up market demand for 4K support.

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orra 968 days ago
I didn't know about Blu-Ray being relatively prompt. But I still think HEVC adoption was slow in broadcast TV, which I would have thought was a shoo-in market.
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fomine3 969 days ago
In context of format war, winning means that they earn patent fee from every device. I don't think it's Apple's intension, but possibly Qualcomm's.
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llm_nerd 969 days ago
Qualcomm isn't even a part of the HEVC alliance patent pool, so that theory doesn't hold. Indeed, the fact that Qualcomm is currently building AV1 support into their next chip (purportedly) puts them at risk of being sued because while AV1 is open, we all know how patents work and there are almost certainly actionable overlaps with the pool.

Apple ships probably more devices than anyone, and given that the patent pool is huge as mentioned odds are overwhelmingly that it costs them money to support HEVC / HEIC, not the reverse. That theory also is dubious.

Remember when everyone was yammering for VP8 support? Then it was VP9 support? Now it's AV1. Sometimes it takes a while to shake out. By all appearances AV1 is a winner, hence why it's finally getting support.

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entropicdrifter 968 days ago
>Apple ships probably more devices than anyone, and given that the patent pool is huge as mentioned odds are overwhelmingly that it costs them money to support HEVC / HEIC, not the reverse. That theory also is dubious.

This is a nit that doesn't negate your main point: Apple may ship more complete devices than anyone, but Qualcomm makes up significantly more of the SoC manufacturer market share[1] at 29% vs Apple's 19%

[1] https://www.counterpointresearch.com/insights/infographic-q2...

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fomine3 968 days ago
Qualcomm may gave up? https://www.iam-media.com/article/qualcomm-ends-participatio...
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Rastonbury 969 days ago
If I'm not wrong paying to patent pool is capped, so apple would just pay at the cap
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