[economist420]

While I agree with you that a lot of websites overuse javascript and frameworks. Can you tell me what else I'm supposed to use if I'm going to build a desktop class web app without it becoming a huge mess or I having to end up up inventing the same concepts already existing in these frameworks?

[PedroBatista]

"desktop class web app" is a subset of "modern web-app". If you need frameworks, use them.

[economist420]

The meaning behind these is pretty blurry between whats considered a website vs an app, it's a spectrum. I consider a web app something that has a similar UI experience to a desktop app, as the word "application" came derived from the desktop.