[sredevops01]

Yeah essentially this. Then have something crawl your database and find IP's that are crawling your dummy pages, and block those. Most of it is EC2/GCP instances and Azure VMs that people spin up with stolen cards, so you have to block a lot of 3rd party vendors. OVH and some others came up often. Lot's of crawling companies were using end user VPNs, so those are harder to block.

The best thing I found was dummy pages to block IPs of bad actors. Also, serving different urls with JS enabled versus disabled, but showing your page as something that works without JS.

Unfortunately, as good as CloudFlare is, their layer-7 isn't going to help you if someone is targeting you.

[kijin]

Cloudflare's layer-7 protection is crap, but it's still orders of magnitude more effective than anything Linode or Hetzner can pull off.

Any major cloud or datacenter can block an old-fashioned UDP flood these days, but botnets have evolved too. Now they speak TLS and HTTP/2, and can send (relatively) small amounts of traffic to select endpoints to generate a large load.

In addition to blocking layer-3 and layer-4 floods, the DDoS mitigation service needs to MITM all your layer-7 traffic in order to determine which requests are legit. Cloudflare can do this (to some extent). AWS WAF can do this. Regular hosting companies can't, unless you use their load balancer and let them manage your TLS keys for you.

[hknmtt]

why would i care about udp when i run only tcp?

[pjc50]

If I saturate your uplink with UDP, none of your TCP is going to get through. Before you have a chance to drop it at your firewall. You have to get your ISP to do that for you, and hope there isn't too much traffic for their uplink.