[friend_and_foe]

After reading this thread, you have got to be trying real hard to wash this in your head.

They give people a massive chunk of money as a """bonus""" and then shitcan them right before the 2 year mark so they can get the money back, call it a loan in the paperwork to make this arrangement legally enforceable. You think this is an honest, perfectly reasonable arrangement? Do you hear yourself?

[leventonportera]

Yes, a company sign-on bonus being dependent on staying with the company for a set time, is not only a reasonable arrangement - it is the most common type of sign-on bonus. Any 2-year interest-free loan is a great loan, and you can turn that into about 10-20k just by putting it into a treasury bond or an HSA. Have you ever, in your life, received a sign-on bonus?

They call it a loan, because it is a loan. Just like PPP was called a loan, and forgiven on a predefined condition.

I hear myself fine. I hear myself observing some people who I believe have not had a professional job in sales or presales, never had a sign-on bonus, never received stock options, and are calling a great thing bad, and being outraged on behalf of some rich asshole playing victim. I hear myself laughing at some people who have no clue about the subject matter, but like to create fake anger and outrage online, so they could feel superior by painting "evil" all around them to avoid dealing with the actual reason for their own failings - themselves.

Does that answer your question?

[friend_and_foe]

Yeah you are talking to a lot of people who are not salesmen by trade; this is an engineer heavy community. Many of the people here have received stock options, it's part of the status quo with regard to engineering compensation. They do it differently though, you get vested after a time and then you get your compensation.

This bonus you're talking about, it isn't free money like you frame it, you're framing it simultaneously as "free money" and a loan so as to avoid addressing what is actually going on here. It's a way to get people with money problems stuck in servitude and willing to eat any shit you want them to just to avoid the debt they'll incur if they don't. And that's predatory, but that's not the end of it. They then get laid off and still owe the money back. I'm not surprised you're avoiding mentioning these facts about the case we are discussing.

[leventonportera]

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