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by meiraleal 970 days ago
'use server'

sql("select * from db");

This is what Vercel is pushing into React code. The caliber of their work is low, very low. They are con masters with MBAs

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They are objectively not that, lol. If you don't like what they're doing I understand but please don't disrespect people you don't know.
That's what you get for working in a famous company that took over an open source software.

If the destruction of React by Vercel paid your bills and you feel disrespected by my total despise for this get rich fast schema (a la crypto rugpulls), that's a problem for you to solve, not me.

Edit: but in reality I'm happy and thankful to Vercel for imploding React, it helped me to finally check that there are so many better options nowadays.

How did Vercel "destroy" React? How are they a "get rich quick" "rugpull"?

Respectfully, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Dan Abramov, de facto lead for React, said that the React team was driving the vision behind the new features in React. Vercel just said, "how can we help? You guys think server components are great, ok, we'll make them first class as that's where the React ecosystem is headed."

Vercel is doing nothing but trying to improve DX for all the things people complain about React.

I started using Next.js in 2017. It made React a real production framework. Prior to Next.js, React was hard to setup and maintain and hard to make it go fast (on first load). Next.js solved the worst React problems.

I don't think it ruined React at all. I think it helped React gain in popularity - which you might interpret as "destruction".

> Prior to Next.js, React was hard to setup and maintain

No, it wasn't. Now it is an engineering process.

> I started using Next.js in 2017. It made React a real production framework

In 2017 I had React projects in production for years.

> React was hard to setup and maintain and hard to make it go fast (on first load)

And it only got worse and the overengineering to make it looks fast in the first load is not worth it as modern JS frameworks are faster than React out-of-the-box.

> I don't think it ruined React at all. I think it helped React gain in popularity

That's not what stackoverflow's Insights says[0]. Looks like a free fall for me.

0. https://insights.stackoverflow.com/trends?tags=reactjs

> In 2017 I had React projects in production for years.

I doubt that. React wasn't stable until 2015, and wasn't mainstream until 2016.

> And it only got worse and the overengineering to make it looks fast in the first load is not worth it as modern JS frameworks are faster than React out-of-the-box.

Again, Next.js != React; the former builds on the latter, it doesn't replace it nor does it claim to be the same thing. I'm not sure why you keep conflating the two.

> That's not what stackoverflow's Insights says[0]. Looks like a free fall for me.

Perhaps you shouldn't bury the lede here. I'm also not entirely sure what your argument is, or why you hold such strong emotions without making your opinions very clear.

https://insights.stackoverflow.com/trends?tags=reactjs%2Cnex...

> I doubt that. React wasn't stable until 2015, and wasn't mainstream until 2016.

I started using React before its 1.0 version. Your reasoning is exactly what's wrong with Vercel. Arrogant inexperienced people that think they know better, empowered by VC money. Together with some idealization of being the smartest people around makes you come with solutions like "use server" and throw tantrums when people say this is stupid for a frontend library.

> Again, Next.js != React; the former builds on the latter, it doesn't replace it nor does it claim to be the same thing. I'm not sure why you keep conflating the two.

It is okay if you can't understand what I'm saying, it is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. I also don't expect you to agree that the work you did contributed to an open source take-over for the sake of profit.

Edit: I just did a research to see if Meta is adopting the amazing "use server" and no public information is available, only people discussing that they aren't. That says a lot about the applicability of this feature and the direction React is being leaded to.

That's awesome work. You don't like it for aesthetic reasons, pre-conceptions of aesthetic purity. That's fine too and I think I agree. But it's awesome work.
Go ahead. It is all yours, awesome work is simple work. Vercel wants React to do everything so they can sell everything. Not to me. That was a sad takeover of an open source project tho
I like to joke that because Vercel doesn't make money when you run components in the client, and React is now made for Vercel, that React is now developed for backends.

I'm a big fan of OSS projects being sponsored by companies that use them for a higher level business. Vs a ton of the C# ecosystem where they try to sell you the library/framework.

But hosting businesses ain't it when it comes to frameworks.. It creates weird incentives.