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by csa 970 days ago
> For the first year or so, pretty much everyone who's learning is going to need the romanization alongside / above the Hangul.

For folks who are learning Korean, hangul is maybe two days to get the basics and maybe a week or less to be able to get comfortable with it.

For super-casuals who just want a ballpark representation, you might be right, but I don’t think it’s reasonable to design around these super-casual folks — when they decide to get serious about learning Korean, Hangul will come quickly.

Hangul, as a phonetic representation, has about the same difficulty as learning hiragana, which takes about the same amount of time to learn.

Maybe if you are referring to older Korean texts that had Chinese characters in them, then I could understand.

> … It shows up in tools for Japanese, Chinese, Hebrew

Kanji (not a syllabary or alphabet), hanzi (not a syllabary or alphabet), and no vowels respectively.

These languages need some romanization support much more than Hangul, imho.

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Potential customers for an app like this don't neatly segment into "...folks who are learning Korean..." and "...super-casuals who just want a ballpark representation...". There is a continuum, and the continuum is weighted towards the casual side. Honestly, if most people only learn a little Korean from this app and it broadens their world only a little bit, it's still done tremendous good. Most people are not going to learn Korean, Japanese, Chinese, &c, &c.

I don't think you'll be able to find empirical support for the idea that romanization is unhelpful after the first week of someone's taking up Hangul in a serious way; or for the idea that Hangul is as simple as Hiragana.

Many people say things like this -- "two days to get the basics" and "a week or less to be...comfortable" -- but I doubt there is any empirical support for figures like that. I suspect that a review of the literature will show that people are still referring back to the romanization for the first two years of their studies, across a wide array of language families, if their first language uses the Roman alphabet.

Hebrew has vowel marks. They are little used but they are very helpful, as well.

Hebrew characters are a lot harder to learn that Hangul.
Well, look -- I think there is a lot to say there; but I wonder how to put it on an empirical footing.

Hangul is definitely one of the most logically organized, consistent and systematic systems of writing in the world -- and it may actually be number one in all those categories.