[pcbro141]

> I agree with you that many guys today struggle with dating because they haven't done the necessary work to be good partners, but the problem isn't that "contemporary life doesn't encourage self-improvement". The "problem", if you even want to call it that, is that women prefer being single over a bad relationship with a crummy guy. For the first time in history, women have the economic independence to walk away from a bad deal, and guys have up their game as a consequence.

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What if there actually are plenty of men who have 'stepped their game up' and are perfectly qualified peers to women and would make suitable partners, but the women just have wildly unrealistic expectations?

Or the women just aren't that interested in men in general?

Could those be factors, rather than men just being so beneath women?

[userinanother]

Yeah but they will fail because they stuck at marketing. It’s like business sometimes you have the right product but you just can’t get it in front of your customers so they actually buy it

[mikhael28]

Nah. Men who think like that are thinking like victims. Shifting the blame elsewhere.

No one owes you any love, except your family.

If you want to find love or a partner out there, you’ve gotta find it and earn it. It could take a long time, or not happen - but if you aren’t in good shape, don’t have any money saved up and aren’t interesting, don’t be surprised if you end up alone or with someone below your standards.

[pcbro141]

I didn't say men are owed anything.

I'm saying perhaps a major part of the reason so many men are single is not necessarily because they are lazy losers who refuse to level up like you suggest, but because they can't meet modern women's unrealistic standards or women just aren't that interested in them even after they've leveled up.

Many men can 'level up' to the maximum realistic extent, and still have few women interested in them. That doesn't make these men lazy losers who refuse to put in the work.

I'm not suggesting they are owed a woman for leveling up to the maximum realistic extent, I'm just saying it's very unfair of you to call them lazy losers for their effort not bearing fruit.

[Levitz]

I'm baffled that you so easily dismiss the idea in an age in which unrealistic expectations for women is an issue that has been talked about to death.