[randomdev3]

The amount of complexity they add with all combinations or render modes, caches and abstraction layers is incredible. For most webapps you can just ship html or create SPA and it's fast enough. If shipping 30kB of js on first load is an issue, then send plain html.

I tried nextjs and for a simple site with few pages and echo endpoint it creates like 2MB of javascript. I could make the same result in 100 lines of code but apparently it's not fast or modern.

The issue is that static file hosting and effective servers don't generate money for infra providers. So better run some js cluster** to get a login form for client.