[stjohnswarts]

I believe that 99% of what they're bombing are known or very probably Hamas hot spots. They have no reason to kill regular Palestinians, but they are at war, and war is pretty fkng ugly. They have sat back for decades while Hamas lobbed rockets at them and then turn around and massacre 1400 people as if they were nothing. No I think this is pent-up and they are on a mission to end Hamas with prejudice, they are not on a mission to kill innocent people, but I have no doubt that Hamas will put innocent people between them and Israeli bombs.

[pxc]

> They have sat back for decades

7x as many Palestinians have been killed in this conflict than Israelis. And on average, in the West Bank alone, Israel kills a Palestinian every day.

Moreover, to 'sit back' as an occupied in a situation founded on mass expulsion, in which settlers actively continue illegal territorial expansion is an act of real, profound, material violence.

[matsemann]

You've got this completely wrong. It's basically the opposite.

The Hamas terrorist attacks were the pent up thing. Israel's retaliation is war crimes, terrorism and absolutely inexcusable.

Don't blame the deaths of Palestinian children on Hamas. If Israel didn't want to kill innocents, they could just not bomb them for fucks sake.

[lobocinza]

What they are supposed to do? To just do nothing and let terrorists grow stronger and do what they want?

> Israel's retaliation is war crimes, terrorism.

You're wrong but if you repeat it a thousand times maybe it will become truth. A war crime is using civilians as human shield. Terrorism is indiscriminately launching rockets at civilians areas, of which ~30% hits Gaza. Terrorism is killing civilians purposefully in barbaric ways to send a message and incite fear. Hamas and Iran are the architects of what is happening today in Gaza.

[matsemann]

I don't support Hamas. They're terrorists as well. But there is no good/bad side here. Don't use one side being bad to excuse the atrocities done by the other side. It's sickening how you and others excuse the killings of thousand of innocent children just because those bombs might also kill a few from Hamas.

All you wrote about war crimes is exactly what Isreal does as well. If you can't see that, you should think hard about what propaganda you're listening to.

But maybe it's a coping mechanism? Because acknowledging the truth about the amount of innocents being killed would be unpleasant?

[lobocinza]

You attempted to create a false symmetry while appealing to emotion. And didn't answer my questions.

> you should think hard about what propaganda you're listening to.

I listen to both. It's just that Israel at least say some truth (that can be independently verified) while Hamas only lies and play victim.

> But maybe it's a coping mechanism?

I'm far from these events. Maybe you are the one coping and avoid unpleasant facts.

[matsemann]

You're the one trying to create a false symmetry, by saying one either has to support Hamas or Israel. But no, I don't. One can condemn both. What I support is the innocent civilians and kids.

There is no way to support Israels bombings, killings thousands of innocent children, no matter how it's framed. If you do, you might as well spell it straight out instead of hiding behind weak arguments: you support the killing of children.

[lobocinza]

Signaling virtue isn't the same as being virtuous.

[kingofpandora]

It's obviously your choice to believe this despite all the evidence to the contrary.

For me it just underlines how people need a flimsy excuse so they don't have to openly support killing civilians.