[melling]

I’ve taken the train from New York to Boston. While it does go pretty fast for a couple miles, think the average speed is about 82 mph.

My 4 mile commute from Hoboken to midtown took anywhere from 45 minutes to 90, if there was a problem. Try getting to the East Side of Manhattan.

See people fighting congestion pricing for driving? If mass transit was good, few would drive into the island

[piffey]

Few people do drive to the island. Over 60% of workers in Manhattan take mass transit to work versus 21% driving. https://www.nyc.gov/assets/planning/download/pdf/planning-le...

And mass transit adoption keeps growing for the workforce. Because sitting in a car in traffic sucks that much. So we make self driving cars and all those people pile into personal vehicles? That only exacerbates the problem.

[vrosas]

I’m actually shocked the ratio is only 3:1. That’s not “few” people that’s hundreds of thousands fighting for a handful of bridges and tunnels each and every morning and every evening in between.

[melling]

Try sitting in one of those tunnels, full of busses, crawling into Manhattan every weekday.

The reality of it all is extremely painful

[decafninja]

I commute into Manhattan daily via public transit.

However when I go into Manhattan for non work related activities, my wife and I (and nearly all my friends) always drive.

The NYC transit situation is decent and tolerable, but still very unpleasant. If I want to enjoy a night in the city, the last thing I want to do is deal with the transit system.

Dealing with mild to moderate traffic within the confines of my (admittedly pretty nice) car is not very painful at all.

We look at the traffic situation before going in. If it's terrible, we just cancel our plans in Manhattan and do something else.