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You're right, sorry about the rhetoric, i was extremely angry at such "welfare queen" rhetoric. I've calmed down and read your comment twice. Of course it's not magic. Of course it shifts the burden elsewhere (9 people own more wealth than 3.6 billion combined, there's plenty of burden that need be fricken shifted). Of course it would require new taxes (mostly on the rich, most people end up paying less for care, i'll pay 500 in taxes over 1k in premiums any day of the week). We will spend more on healthcare either way as you note, this is the cheapest way through the storm with the best allocation of the tax burden.

I also completely agree with the prophylactic notion of reducing medical burden by increasing healthiness. Idk about fat camp specifically but shit like better healthier foods in schools and killing food deserts and reducing poverty would all go a great extend to help. Like you are agreeing with me in a different form, "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" and early healthcare before problems get bad is part of that.

>And more broadly speaking, welfare benefits in general also are not things that will improve society as a whole at no cost.

Who said they would do it at no cost? I think i simply noted it would be cheaper than the inhumane way we do it now. So it's more humane AND the math is better. Literally the only reason to think like that crab in a bucket i replied to does is if you're a meanie who wants the poor to suffer instead of accepting a poor might get some healthcare or not starve on their tax dime. that's what made me so mad. I am still sorry for commenting in the manner as I did. I was fully prepared to be quickly flagged lol.

Re welfare benefits, they produce some of the best return of dollars spent by the government. Like besides the irs, (quick search shows 400$ in revenue per 1$ spent on irs, 6:1 $ gain if we spent more on enforcement) nothing comes back quicker per dollar spent than giving poor people money. It goes straight in to the economy.

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