[pests]

> Turn signal & horn moving to touch buttons on the wheel.. which move when you spin, is insane ergonomics

Car's back in the day would have the shift up/down levers on the wheel like racing cars do today. Same issue but people still managed.

[smilekzs]

If you're referring to column mounted prndl stalks, they don't turn with the wheel. Examples: Mercedes, older Model S, and lots of pickup trucks.

If you're referring to paddle shifters, ironically Ferrari (of wheel-mounted indicator buttons fame) mounts them on the column instead (again, not turning with the wheel). IMHO both are fine for street and track usage because manual shifting is most likely triggered when the car is (almost) straight. However this assumption does not apply to turning indicator controls, which by definition are used when you are, uh, turning or about to turn!

[steveBK123]

Precisely, Tesla went their own way for no reason other than cost.. it is objectively worse than their previous implementation, the mainstream implementation, and any of the competing less-standard implementations that Tesla defenders are grasping at.

There's a reason you don't put control buttons on moving parts.

It's like putting the elevator buttons on the door. Want to press your floor, please wait until the door shuts.. or lunge at it as the door moves. Want to hit the door close button.. sorry that's no longer possible.

Imagine motorized blinds where the button is on the blinds. Better get the ladder out when they are up & you want to bring them down.

Imagine a fan where the buttons were on the spinning blades, or the center rotor with buttons moved while on.

I don't understand the design decisions. You know he was heavily involved in some Tesla change when its something this dumb because no one can stop him.

[rumblerock]

Those column-mounted paddle shifters also span a large radius on both sides, which combined with their quick steering ratio makes them effectively available at all times aside from when you're putting in a lot of steering lock – which is the one scenario you shouldn't be shifting aggressively anyways.

[netsharc]

On a really old car (Rolls Royce Silver Ghost from the 1920's): https://www.flickr.com/photos/kt/2837813095/

[olddustytrail]

Those are not for the gears.

[olddustytrail]

Do you mean gear paddles? No they didn't. Unless you mean F1 cars in 1995.

And 1995 is not "back in the day" anyway. It's not "back in the day" unless everything is in black and white!

[steveBK123]

Also gear shift paddles generally dont rotate with the wheel because they are attached to the column.

But as you can see, any negative statements re: Tesla.. results in 2005 era Apple fanboy levels of self delusion and bargaining.

I say this as a huge Apple fan and former Tesla owner (who might buy one again if the circumstances fit).

[Grazester]

It's a thing to attach those paddles shifters to the wheel now instead of the column. Manufacturers now think you will be changing gears mid corners when the wheel is turned and think you will have a hard time locating the paddles if they were on the column. Someone needs to tell them in racing that's not how it's done.

[steveBK123]

People used to have horses instead of cars, people still managed.