[HappyDaoDude]

My initial issues with Musk was that he tended to push ideas and time frames WAY beyond what was reasonable.

Tesla / Space X are already amazing in almost ever respect, it doesn't need all the silly hype machine on top of it. Yes, it is neat to think about Mars bases eventually but that should be a stretch goal not pushed as "It is 4 years away!".

Starship is an incredible achievement already and I suspect it will come together quicker than we anticipate (less than a decade, probably in the next 2-3 years) but Musk had always promoted time lines and ambitions that were silly. Like point to point public rocket travel by 2030. The thing cannot land yet and they are already thinking 50 steps ahead with a stated date. That doesn't detract from Space X's achievements but it does cast a shadow over them as a whole.

[jwells89]

That over-ambitiousness is a big factor in attracting (and to some degree, keeping) talent I'd bet. It's one of SpaceX's key differentiators compared to incumbents where the overarching attitude seems to be, "well, we'll get back to the moon at some point in the future, maybe, if we're lucky". That's not to knock the brilliant people working for those companies but it's gotta be harder to be excited when it feels like the corporate gears are perpetually gummed up with cold tar.

[imtringued]

>Starship is an incredible achievement already and I suspect it will come together quicker than we anticipate (less than a decade, probably in the next 2-3 years)

You do know that the next Artemis mission is in 2024? According to your timeline it would be delayed more than the much hated space launch system which actually went to the moon

[fallingknife]

Who cares? If he builds the most advanced rocket in the world, nobody will remember he was late. Late is not a meaningful criticism when building things that have never been done before.

[fnordpiglet]

Hype = funding