[thecompilr]

Then they are really inept at genocide, if over 20 days they managed to kill only four time as many as Hamas managed in a day. It will take centuries and trillions of dollars in this tempo. But sure let’s pretend there is genocide and killings civilians is the goal.

[sharts]

If you look at statements made in the past by those in power, killing civilians has always been a goal because the intention is to take the entirety of the land.

It is a fine line to walk, of course. Being extremely egregious would spark far too much international opposition and outrage.

Therefore, mowing the lawn is the approach taken. Load shedding and all that jazz.

[raxxorraxor]

Not really. Neither is Israel committing genocide, a completely unfounded accusation, nor is it trying to kill civilians.

There are extremists in Israel and their number is rising. But false accusation like this don't help anyone.

[orionsbelt]

What statements have said killing civilians is the goal?

[throw310822]

As someone firmly on the Palestinians side, I don't think Israel has the goal of killing civilians. It does have- partly officially, partly unofficially- the long term goal of conquering all of Palestine without its Palestinian population.

Constant low grade violence with some flare-ups in which thousands (not millions) are killed is considered an acceptable means to that end.

[yostrovs]

This view seems to go against the reality of Israel withdrawing and forcefully removing all of its citizens from Gaza in 2005.

[throw310822]

In October 2004, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's senior adviser, Dov Weissglass, explained the meaning of Sharon's statement further:

"The significance of the disengagement plan [from Gaza] is the freezing of the peace process, and when you freeze that process, you prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state, and you prevent a discussion on the refugees, the borders and Jerusalem. Effectively, this whole package called the Palestinian state, with all that it entails, has been removed indefinitely from our agenda. And all this with authority and permission. All with a presidential blessing and the ratification of both houses of Congress. That is exactly what happened. You know, the term 'peace process' is a bundle of concepts and commitments. The peace process is the establishment of a Palestinian state with all the security risks that entails. The peace process is the evacuation of settlements, it's the return of refugees, it's the partition of Jerusalem. And all that has now been frozen.... what I effectively agreed to with the Americans was that part of the settlements would not be dealt with at all, and the rest will not be dealt with until the Palestinians turn into Finns. That is the significance of what we did."

https://www.haaretz.com/2004-10-06/ty-article/top-pm-aide-ga...

[mcphage]

Well, they’re certainly not stopping yet, so we’ll see how high the death toll gets. The rate doesn’t seem like it’s going to drop anytime soon.

[orionsbelt]

A high death toll is not the definition of genocide.

There are 200+ hostages still held in Gaza be Hamas, a terrorist group that also governs Gaza. Tens if not hundreds of rockets are being fired daily. Israel has made it clear that they are going to war against Hamas and will not stop until they are eliminated; that is going to lead to civilian deaths. The civilian death are tragic. The war may be a mistake and it may backfire. But collateral damage in war is not a genocide just because the numbers are high.

[megous]

They're quite good, you have to compare with somthing similar, like Nazi bombing raids on London. With modern guided weapons, they can use a few hundred bombs per night to kill hundreds of people instead of having to use hundred planes with tens of thousands of bombs per raid like Nazis did over Britain with similar or lower average results per raid.

Also a lot of victims will be unreported. There's not enough heavy machinery to investigate every destroyed multi-storey building properly.

And there are a lots of those https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/25/middleeast/satellite-imag...