[paulddraper]

> Attempting to murder a bunch of people isn't a mental health issue in the traditional sense

> need to be in hospital

It clearly is a mental health issue.

Whether it's a disqualifying, treatable, etc is a valid argument but it is certainly a mental health issue.

[fzeroracer]

Well, no. People commit murder all the time despite being in sound mental being. You could argue that to commit murder requires you to have mental health issues, but that's not always true.

But in this scenario and many others there are strong distinctions between people who commit suicide, people who commit murder-suicide and people who commit mass murder-suicide. Understanding that distinction is important because one is a risk to themselves only and another is a risk to others around them.

The flaw is of course we bucket all of them the same way for pilots, which leads to the last two stewing and hiding.

[wenebego]

Who are the people committing murder all the time despite being in sound mental being?

[kayodelycaon]

Here's one example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing

The degrees of accepted violence is cultural. Plenty of people kill out of anger but anger does not make one insane. Unless you defined criminal behavior as mental illness.

Also I believe you're misunderstanding what was said, people as a whole, as in humanity, commit all kinds of atrocities. Mental illness is not required to be cruel or callous.

Is every soldier mentally ill simply because they are capable of killing on command?

[sokoloff]

Murder is an unlawful killing. What a soldier does in a declared war is not unlawful (in general, at least when within the rules of engagement).

[wenebego]

I was essentially quoting the person i was replying to

[paulddraper]

When someone does it with sound mental state, it's usually called "killing" and not "murder."

I.e. she shot and killed her attempted rapist.

[paulddraper]

"Mental health issue" = pathological thinking

> there are strong distinctions between people who commit suicide, people who commit murder-suicide and people who commit mass murder-suicide

Sure.