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by boffinAudio 973 days ago
Could not disagree with this position more.

Teaching kids some proprietary thing that is only available in a special situation, versus teaching them broadly applicable skills that are entirely relevant, after 40 years of computing history, is very much more valuable - as a parent - than the alternative.

Also a parent, also learned to program on an 8-bit system, taught my kids computing with the Raspberry Pi and they still use them for things way beyond the Minecraft zone... just yesterday the younger of the teens figured out how to use his rPi to catch his older brother entering his room. Sure, he could have done that with the micro:bit too - but that would have been an artificial ceiling for things - as it stands, he's been spending the morning working out how to get his brothers' guilty pics uploaded to the family NAS, which is another extremely valuable skill that this teenager has now developed in a matter of days, which would not have been easy to attain with the micro:bit.

I think the micro:bit, as has been mentioned earlier, is proprietary and limited. There's nothing to learn there that can't also be learned on rPi, and the rPi gives far better future-proof opportunities.

The only 'advantage' is that micro:bit might be easier to teach - but that is just excuse-making for poor educational standards. I'd much rather my kids' teachers have the skills and ability to teach them future-proof computer subjects, such as the raspberryPi (the younger one has now just asked for their own Hetzner account) than limit them to proprietary stuff that isn't available anywhere else in the world ..

It is beyond embarassing that we are graduating students who don't know the difference between a File and a Folder, or why you need to format storage devices, or even what a storage device is .. micro:bit will re-enforce that ignorance in a generation of students - raspberryPi entirely discourages it and prepares the student better for the world, imho...

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My 2p as parent with RPis + multiple Microbits in the house.

Microbits are far more limited in their capabilities but they are a useful stepping stone because they are limited. They can be used like a piece of lego as part of a larger creation.

They have inbuilt switches and sensors and it is easier to connect extra components to a Microbit. You don't even need a breakout board. They run off batteries quite happily and once you have uploaded a program onto the Microbit you might only need that single battery box. And if you have two or more of them then you can use the inbuilt wireless connectivity very easily.

The proprietary nature of the code running the RPis and Microbits is not a factor for me. Once my kids get closer to being teenagers hopefully there'll be some fully open platforms available for the next steps.

Congratulations. Your children are clearly knowledgeable and sophisticated users of technology.

Most kids don't get that far. They don't have parents like you (or me) to give them one to one help and encouragement.

> The only 'advantage' is that micro:bit might be easier to teach

Thats the point. Start with simple, concrete stuff. Work up to the complicated, abstract stuff. Basic pedagogy. Raspberry Pis undoubtedly have their place, but they're less than ideal teaching platforms if your aim is to get children interested and enthusiastic about tech, rather than simply being "users".

(As for future proof skills, I suspect you know as well as I do that nothing ever is - as the absence of BBC Model Bs in todays classrooms demonstrates.)

I had a BBC B growing up and I didn't know what a folder was, nor what a storage device is. Unless you count the giant 5 1/4 floppy drive.

I could write code, though.

The only reason you didn't learn this on your BBC B is because it didn't have a proper DOS.

I bet you know what a Folder and a File are now, though. You wouldn't get too far as a modern developer, otherwise.

That's the point: teach kids real skills, not decadence. Too bad if its "too hard" - don't pretend to be an educator if that's the case.