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by mathieuh 975 days ago
Traffic lights are still fine for colour-blind people aren't they? The order of the lights doesn't change.
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It depends on their kind of colorblindness.

I see green lights as white, which is fine most of the time because of the order.

The exception is when there's a lot of glare from the sun setting behind me, and I sometimes can't tell if it's green, or just the sun reflecting at the right angle. It also washes out the red and yellow, making it harder to see if they're lit.

I am the same--green traffic lights are nearly white. Normally, it's enough to know it's not the red or yellow light. Sometimes at night--face with an array of white lights in the distance--it can be an issue.

At my last eye test at the RMV, the clerk tried to tell me I wasn't color blind. I mean, sure, I've been able to drive with it for 40 years, but I know damn well I'm color blind.

Funny thing, I'm NOT colorblind and apparently I only rely on the color. I've been driving for over 10 years now, mostly in the capital that has traffic lights everywhere, and sitting at my desk now not looking at a traffic light, I wouldn't want to bet money on the order.
I always assumed red was at the top as it's the most important. It's the first one to peak out behind tall trucks.
Some places have the lights sideways, and usually red is on the left, but it's not always consistent.

If I were designing them I'd always have the red be noticeably larger.

Yes. They can still drive fine, but don't get the benefits of color coding, like being able to infer whether red or green is lit from the light reflected off of other objects. That becomes somewhat important in low visibility situations where the position is hard to determine.
It seems the harder difficulty is red and yellow, see the comments in this article, but led lights have improved the situation for some:

https://www.color-blindness.com/2007/02/06/colorblind-at-the...

There are a few different types of colorblindness, so I wouldn't extrapolate that.

For me personally, the green light looks much closer to a white than to, say, the green of a grass.

I just happen to have a friend with red-green blindness, who was my reference point in answering. It's good to point out there are different types with different impacts, though.
With the switch from incandescent bulbs to LED traffic lights it would be very easy to change the shape of the lights: e.g. octagonal for stop, triangular for caution, and circular for go. Keep the colors, but add shape as well. Seems like an obvious and useful change to me.
That might fall apart for people with poor visual acuity.
If they're roughly the same size and in the same order as the round lights today, people with poor visual acuity would still see more or less what they see currently.
If you can tell neither the color of the light, nor its shape...

Should you be driving?

Horizontal lights are not consistent across countries. The linked article has an image of a Japanese horizontal traffic light with red on the right, whereas an American traffic light would have red on the left.
And some countries don't have horizontal lights at all.

https://youtu.be/sXbHdKJ1D78

Which is even worse. I grew up in an area with only vertical lights. After several years of driving I ended up in an area with a horizontal light, one end was white and I had no clue if that meant stop or go. (I'm colorblind so I normally think top=stop, bottom=go)
I don't think I've ever seen horizontal lights in Europe at all. Fairly common in Japan though.
> The order of the lights doesn't change.

For 3 lights streetlights no. For 2 lights streetlights it depends. They can be (in DE) either red and yellow or yellow or green.

AFAIK yellow + green is only ever used for turning traffic and is always installed together with a regular 3-bulb traffic light for the other directions. Stand-alone two-bulb traffic lights are always red + yellow, with red on top, just as usual.
Almost fifty years ago, I worked with a guy who was color-blind. This was in Colorado, where at the time some of the little towns in the mountains still had traffic lights arranged horizontally rather than vertically. He must have known the order at one time--I think I learned it for my license test--but of course with little chance for reinforcement tended to forget. I suppose that such lights are all gone now.
They're common in at least four states still: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXbHdKJ1D78
Most color blind have issue to see shades and subtle differences. They see red and green just fine.

The people who do not see red at all however, see red as black. So, they do not see red traffic light at all.

> The order of the lights doesn't change.

That argument has two issues: First, not all US traffic lights have order, as single-light ones replace stop signs in some (mostly suburban/rural) areas. Second, light position is still hard to discern at night.

My personal take: the red and yellow hues in traffic lights are often indistinguishable for those of us with red-green colorblindness.

Night time?
Also lights with more than three bulbs, some indicating left or right turns, of which will take on two or more colours themselves. Some lights have a bulb above red for cyclists and transit. Some lights called beacons are a single bulb that take on several colours.

https://www.ontario.ca/document/official-mto-drivers-handboo...