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by gruez 965 days ago
But they never claimed that it was "so safe" that you can ingest or douse yourself in it? It says so right in the MSDS.

https://labelsds.com/images/user_uploads/Roundup%20Pro%20Con...

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"Lobbyist Claims Monsanto's Roundup Is Safe To Drink, Freaks Out When Offered A Glass"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovKw6YjqSfM&t=10

That was incredible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Moore_(consultant)

During an interview by French investigative journalist Paul Moreira, which was first broadcast on French television station Canal+, Moore was asked about the safety of the herbicide glyphosate. Moore told Moreira that one "could drink a whole quart of it" without any harm. When Moore was challenged to drink a glass of the weedkiller, he refused, saying "I'm not an idiot" and "I'm not stupid" before ending the interview. Monsanto, the primary producers of glyphosate weedkillers under the Roundup brand, denied claims that Moore is a paid lobbyist for their company.[71][72][73] The interview came shortly after the release of a World Health Organization (WHO) report adding glyphosate to a list of probable carcinogens.[74][75]

That's what they're subjecting farm workers to.
Isn't that the farm's problem? At least in theory workers are supposed to be protected with PPE and/or proper procedures. Blaming them for the failure of that feels like blaming chainsaw manufacturers for causing hearing loss.
If the chainsaw company executives have to repeatedly try to convince the government that their product is actually safe despite being excessively loud over and over again, but they won't actually put themselves in a situation where they themselves wield their own chainsaws because of safety concerns, then yeah, it's on them.

If you're in the US, you've probably consumed glyphosate today. Farm workers wearing PPE will be exposed to elevated levels of glyphosate no matter how hard they try because humans aren't perfect. If execs won't put themselves in the same position as the people handling their products, they're evil hypocritical bastards.

> If the chainsaw company executives have to repeatedly try to convince the government that their product is actually safe despite being excessively loud

We're going in circles here. As mentioned earlier the MSDS provided by bayer clearly says you shouldn't get it on your skin or ingest it. Therefore it's pretty clear that glyphosate isn't "safe", at least in those circumstances.

>Farm workers wearing PPE will be exposed to elevated levels of glyphosate no matter how hard they try because humans aren't perfect.

You can make the same argument for chainsaws. Earmuffs aren't comfortable to wear in 100 degree weather. Should they be liable for hearing loss for the same reason?

Earmuffs in 100 may not be the most comfortable thing in the world, but its still perfectly fine to use for hours, you just sweat a bit more on ears and around. Also, if you want rest just stop cutting and put them down. I've seen forest workers use them all the time in summer heat.

Now we switch to same conditions but requirement is to wear pretty good 'airtight' face mask. Most people would be nearing collapse after some time when doing some hard work, I know I had some proper hard time during covid when trying some rather low efforts.

Those 2 examples are really not that comparable. Also, you very conveniently ignore the fact that chemical crap poisons everything, and ends up in my and your and my kid's food chain. Some chainsaw 20 km in the forest is really no such concern.

I can go on and on like this. Really, not comparable examples at all. Yeah, fuck Bayer and all those involved, I am normally peaceful person but for those involved while knowing, or at least strongly suspecting the truth I wish only horrible things in their lives.

They know how it's being used, spend millions on downplaying and denying its harms and lobby the government to loosen safety restrictions on its use.

This is the same excuse drug dealers use when selling substances they know are being abused and harm people. Following your logic, the MSDS sheets for heroin and fentanyl make it clear on how they should be dealt with safely.

> Isn't that the farm's problem?

From a legal perspective, maybe.

From the farm workers perspective... it sounds they'd better try avoiding the situation anyway.

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An analogy is an accident between a semi trailer and a motorbike.

Even if the semi trailer was the cause of the accident (legally), it's still a really bad idea for the motorbike to not try avoiding it. That way leads to a squished motorbike rider. :(