[kristianc]

I'm not sure. I remember learning HTML and CSS through WYSIWYG editors such as Dreamweaver (essentially abstractions, no?), and then getting frustrated by how much excess code it was adding. That then gave me the impetus to delve into the code and then begin learning the HTML, CSS, principles informing the design. Had I started back then trying to tackle HTML head on, I might have been overwhelmed.

Similarly, I'm trying to learn building web apps at the moment. I'd rather have some decisions taken for me by Rails (in the knowledge that they've been based on some kind of best practice / consensus) and try and build backwards from there. It's probably not the purists way of learning, but then I don't have the level of expertise a purist probably does.

[xyzzyb]

Coming to Rails frustrated with the slog that you have to deal with otherwise is exactly the path that Rails was designed to accomodate. You know and appreciate the fact that Rails is making decisions for you to help you get going while a beginner would probably be overwhelmed by all the complexity.

[kristianc]

Absolutely - and in fact, one of the virtues of the better Rails tutorials is that they do expose you to some of the complexity.

You learn to understand that things are passing between the model and controller, and the rough sequence of things. I've come to appreciate the basics of a RESTful approach, and why things are as they are. I'll of course need to take away the abstraction over time, but without having the abstraction in the first place, I probably wouldnt have started.

That said, I second the point about getting it installed. I shouldn't have to be on StackOverflow for that.