[romafirst3]

Pretty sure this is a hoax/satire/anti-trans argument.

So, going to just answer the anti trans piece.

There is no trans athletes dominating sport. Even us talking about it is because conservatives want to use it as a wedge issue.

For the mathematically inclined, slightly under 1% of the population are trans. When we see more than 1% of winners of athletic competitions being trans then we can talk about a problem. At the moment there just aren’t any trans athletes as the best in the world in their sport so it just isn’t an issue.

I honestly think unless you are trans yourself you really should not have an opinion about trans people.

[drankl]

> There is no trans athletes dominating sport.

Yes there are, see https://shewon.org for an increasingly long list of women who have been pushed off the podium by trans-identifying males competing as women.

Some women are even quitting the sports they've trained so hard for, because these males are ruining the competition, e.g. see https://www.outkick.com/cycling-champ-hannah-arensman-retire....

[romafirst3]

Are you for real? The last of those entries is

“ Miss Greater Derry, New Hampshire Beauty Pageant (part of the Miss America Pageant events), 10 November”

Literally nowhere near the top of the sport and like I said we would expect 1% of winners to be trans.

[drankl]

No comment on the 600+ cases of males dominating in women's sports then? It's all right there on the page you scrolled all the way down to get to the non-athletic competitions.

That's 242 winning places which women lost to men in cycling, 117 in track and field, 65 in mountain biking, 43 in disc golf, 38 in swimming, 20 in powerlifting, and the rest in a wide variety of other sports.

197 first place podium spots that women athletes have lost to men, 177 second places lost, and 168 third places.

Do you still believe this is not a problem for female athletes, even after being shown data proving otherwise?

[romafirst3]

Do you know how many sports competitions are run every year? Do you see how low level these competitions are? How many are at the national level? How many would you expect if there was no performance difference between trans women and women?

You would expect 1% of competitors to win 1% of competitions but the numbers you are showing are nowhere near there.

Also these are pathetically low level competitions to base an argument on, I want to reiterate that point. Most of these are just local disc golf competitions or masters golf tournaments. Is there a signal top tier Olympic competition represented in your list.

[drankl]

> You would expect 1% of competitors to win 1% of competitions but the numbers you are showing are nowhere near there.

Even just one of these men competing in a women's sporting event is a problem, in the same way that even one athlete doping is a problem. It's unfair and adversely affects every other competitor in the event. So while that website shows hundreds of women displaced from the winning spots, the overall impact is likely more in the thousands or even tens of thousands, depending on how many competitors were in each event.

The more fundamental principle is that women's sports exist to celebrate female athletic excellence, and for women to have spaces to compete fairly and safely against each other, at all levels of competition. Allowing males to compete entirely undermines this.

[romafirst3]

It’s not unfair because there doesn’t seem to be an advantage in the data to being a trans woman in sport.

When it shows in the data then we can talk about it.

The other stuff is the real issue for you I think. Maybe that is just something you’ll have to reflect on a little bit more.

Is it only celebrating women you like or people you relate to or is there room for trans woman in female sports. I think they should be included because it’s the human thing to do.

I think a lot of conservative types not long ago didn’t think women should even be playing sports, so it’s ironic that the sanctity of female sports is so important now.