[subjectsigma]

Yeah I really don’t know what to use anymore:

FF installs plugins without your consent. Brave installs software which can circumvent security controls without your consent.

Safari has no plugins and is Mac/iOS-only. Chrome is designed to be as privacy invasive as humanly possible. I think Edge is right behind it and has the added insult of looking like a Fischer-Price toy.

Arc, Vivaldi, Orion, and Opera are irrelevant jokes. I wouldn’t trust Pale Moon, Waterfox, Ungoogled Chromuim, etc. because I still remember Iron Browser.

I can’t use Google Meet on Lynx. Even if I could use Google Meet on Surf, I wouldn’t want to because the authors are Neo-Nazi trash.

And Ladybird isn’t anywhere near done yet!

What browser am I supposed to use??

[Apocryphon]

Orion's just getting started. I trust in Kagi, for now. To cavil about "relevance" means you dismiss grassroots alternatives before they even have a chance.

Safari has plug-ins, Apple just calls them extensions.

[subjectsigma]

I suppose that’s a fair point about Orion.

I know Safari has plug-ins, however the ones I use are not available for Safari and I would think most popular extensions aren’t.

[ozyschmozy]

> FF installs plugins without your consent. Brave installs software which can circumvent security Controls without your consent.

I've never heard about this, can you elaborate? Are you talking about the Pocket stuff that comes built-in?

[subjectsigma]

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/retrospective-l...

[ozyschmozy]

TIL, thanks. What an odd thing to do. Seems well intentioned though at least

[soundnote]

Why wouldn't you use say, Vivaldi? Sure, they're irrelevant in the market, but their product is good and likely what I'd be using if I wasn't using Brave.

[skotobaza]

> Vivaldi is a joke

From my experience it's the only browser that tries to improve UX on desktop. And it seems they do care about privacy.

[freediver]

I wonder why you call Orion irrelevant joke?

[subjectsigma]

I tried it and it didn’t seem to provide any features not present in other browsers outside of the significant extension support, which isn’t really relevant for me (I rely heavily on like three FF extensions, if you have those I don’t really need Chrome extensions on top). It didn’t seem noticeably faster or more performant. It has no market share, which almost always means worse support overall. I don’t know of any security audits performed and I have no experience with Kagi so I don’t know if they are trustworthy.

Another comment pointed out since the browser is in beta, this might be premature judgement. That’s a good point.