[sandworm101]

>> can’t bring myself to check out that new season!

You aren't alone. I got maybe ten minutes in. It is the now Kelsey Grammer show. He is surrounded by actors that do not challenge him at any level. In Frasier, it was a groups of actors/characters, each of which could carry an episode on their own. Frasier also did edgy stuff, for the time. This new thing is just another rehash of "old guy revisits past acquaintances", akin to Picard but without the trek ornamentation and excitement.

[afavour]

I don't really think you can dismiss an entire show and cast based on ten minutes of viewing.

I wasn't blown away by the first episode but I'm interested to keep going. People often forget the the first season of many shows (comedies particularly) are particularly ropey while the writers and actors find their groove.

That said I'm considering it an entirely different show to the previous Frasier, much like Cheers was. I'm kind of glad they haven't gone directly back to the old well.

[mdm_]

>People often forget the the first season of many shows (comedies particularly) are particularly ropey while the writers and actors find their groove.

Parent mentioned Picard, well the first season of ST:TNG is a prime example of this. Some of the worst episodes in all of Star Trek are in that season.

[flanbiscuit]

Speaking of Picard and getting past first seasons. I tried watching Picard and only got a couple episodes in and wasn't enjoying it so I stopped. I guess I should give it another chance.

[als0]

It's weird how the final season of Picard is the best one, because the first two were so so bad.

[jjeaff]

At first glance, I felt they were going for an entirely different show. But, at least the first two episodes seem like a direct rehash of the same story from Frasier. Freddy has taken on the salt of the earth, regular guy persona of Marty Crane, Frasier is himself and starting a new life in a new city, they are moving in together and their personalities clash. You have the free spirited and quirky friend of Freddy as a neighbor to fill the Dafney void. and then of course you have Miles' son to play the fastidious, nervous, comic relief. I'm half expecting him to fall head over heals for the neighbor.

That being said, I like it so far.

[FeepingCreature]

The deal with network shows is they were designed so you can start watching at any time, even mid-episode.

"Yeah it gets good around season 2." So you start watching around season 2. You don't slog through the dross first.

[anothernewdude]

You can absolutely dismiss media based on the first experience. You have to. There's too much in life. That's why it's such a popular strategy.

Enduring the bad in hope of the good is for those without options.

[afavour]

> Enduring the bad in hope of the good is for those without options.

lol, I feel like that sounded very good in your head… we're talking about half hour sitcoms here, not eternal strife.

If you gave up on comedies within the first ten minutes you’d miss some of the best that’s been done in recent years. But sure, keep sampling things at ten minute intervals if it’s what suits you best.

[nvy]

Even Seinfeld had a mediocre first two or three seasons. Some shows take a while to find their feet.

[zelos]

The Simpsons didn't hit its stride until the end of season 2/start of season 3, either.

[sandworm101]

I only have so much time during the day. Work is busy. I have about two hours between getting home and going to sleep this month. Im not going to donate thirty minutes, a quarter of my free time, to a show that isnt great when there are plenty of other shows to watch that are guaranteed to be great.

[bmelton]

Genuinely curious which shows are guaranteed to be great

[conradfr]

Yes it's not that bad and I liked the second episode better.

For sure the other characters (and actors) are no match, but he had a head start on it. I hope they dial down the cartoonish aspect of some of them.